The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

So pathetic, Annie.
It's the men who need to change their way of looking at women as goods and chattels to be used as they see fit.
As I've said before it's a hundred years since the first women got the vote and men still think they own women enough to tell them what to wear, how to serve them.
Such a shame you can't see that.
The Fawcett Society does not agree with you.

Gilly, shame on you for even thinking about it, get to the supermarket ?

dj Can I just point out the agency which hired the women is run by a woman.

That is most interesting Oldwoman, i have wondered if women were involved in the agency.

Can I just point out the agency which hired the women is run by a woman.

What difference does that make? Women ran/run brothels, too. Does that make the sexual exploitation of women any more justifiable?

Men will never stop looking at pretty women DJ . Whether it be in films, on the beach, in a club, a magazine or whatever .

I am not a feminist,I don’t think that it is just feminists who think woman (or men come to that) should be able to do a job of their choice without being groped. Unless they have choosen to be prostitutes where the transaction is as clear as any other transaction . ( I don’t mean woman forced into prostitution,that’s a whole other debate) I just think it’s time MEN behaved better drunk or not, after all the suffergettes went through we haven’t moved on very far if we haven’t got as many men as we should have to raise their bar. !

Plus it wasn’t a men’s only do, they had women there ,just not their OWN!

Nobody is saying that men can't look at pretty women, gillybob, any more than women have to stop looking at pretty men..

Nor are they saying that women can't choose to dress in a way that men find provocative or choose to make themselves sexually available. What they are saying is that men should not assume that all women are sexually available to them whether or not they consent. And, that being required to dress provocatively and submit to inappropriate male behaviour as a condition of work is not a free choice (whatever others might say)

I wonder if (should such a thing take) place how, lesbian , gay , trans, etc only events would pan out . Perhaps it would be easier to stick to nobody should touch anybody ( in an in appropriate way ) with out that persons permission , or that it is stated at the beginning of an event what the rules are, especially as it seems some men obviously don’t know.

People are saying that women shouldn't 'be allowed' to dress proactively though. They are saying that because THEY believe its wrong, that other women should bow to their superior opinion.

Oops, I meant to say dressing provocatively in order to be seen as a 'plaything' to men. People are saying they have no right to weigh up the pros and cons of that, and decide for themselves if its acceptable or not. Nobody on this thread has said that then gives men the right to touch, or overstep the mark in any way.

Those women chose to work as hostesses . They chose to dress up in sexy costumes . They were not forced/coerced into doing so .

I wonder how long it will be before we see women complaining that a man touched her shoulder in passing or patted her on the back ? What is this world coming to?

Bridgeit, it is not that clear cut, I agree men shouldn't grope but this thread reads of female victims and male predators, there are women who don't mind being groped, who choose to table dance etc, who lead men on , anyone who denies this isn't living in the real world.

Posts here claim the majority at that event were young students, no one knows this is true , just said to present the naive teenager victims of old men.

Why do girls choose to go on those so called reality tv programmes , choose to be hostesses , they are not forced they choose to. Did their mothers not bring them up to respect their own bodies or do the girls not agree with their mothers advice?

This is why I disagree with you dj and some others, do we teach our daughters not to look right and left when stepping onto a zebra crossing or do we tell them - just cross, you have the right not to be run over .

Girls choose these jobs , their choice and where is equality among women if we tell them what work they should do and what work they must not do , so easy for professional women to condemn these jobs , there are girls who want to be doctors, teachers , run businesses and girls who want to be hostesses etc. Girls who hope to find a wealthy husband, who want fame so go on these awful reality programmes. I do not have the right to decide these jobs and programmes must be banned .

It is free choice to put on scanty dresses , dance on tables , no one forces girls into these jobs.

Gillybob, no one is meaning that,perhaps you missed some comments.

The good things is that all of us in our own way are attempting to support the woman we are discussing, I wonder what they would think of our concerns ?

Meaning what Bridgeit ? This is a very long thread and I may have missed one or two comments .

The one about , ‘soon woman will be complaining if a man pats a woman on the shoulder back etc,

I haven't read the whole thread. I'm picking up on what anniebach has said. It's not feminism to tell women what they can't choose for themselves, that because some women find a certain kind of work demeaning, then all women should. Feminism is about allowing women to make their own choices which, as I understand it, those working at the Presidents Club event had.

Gillybob on today’s thread about 5 comments down

10.06 today Gillybob

"Perhaps it would be easier to stick to nobody should touch anybody ( in an in appropriate way ) with out that persons permission " Spot on Bridgeit, but it really should be taken for granted, not have to be spelled out.

Human beings tend to need policing on all kinds of different things. Not by judgemental people who are outraged that others make choices that they, personally find offensive.

Baggs, hugs, kisses, flowers , thank you , that is all I have tried to get across,

I posted earlier this week that book Shops were taking David Walliums books off their shelves, someone posted it's their choice, it is and it is the choice of girls to work for Formula 1, events, darts matches , boxing matches etc in skimpy clothes , they are paraded by men forcing them, it's their choice. If a girl chooses to be a table dancer ,which is legal, I have no right to say - you can't do that the suffragettes fought for you to have equality, for me this means freedom to chooses is equality

Of course people should not behave badly, as those men at the club apparently did, bit that's a separate issue from letting women make their own choices about what work they do.

Until yesterday I'd never heard of "grid girls". It seems people claiming to be feminists have complained about this job too so that F1 racing has sacked them. And yet, again, the women doing that job liked it and freely chose to do it.