The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

Nobody is saying that men can't look at pretty women, gillybob, any more than women have to stop looking at pretty men..

Nor are they saying that women can't choose to dress in a way that men find provocative or choose to make themselves sexually available. What they are saying is that men should not assume that all women are sexually available to them whether or not they consent. And, that being required to dress provocatively and submit to inappropriate male behaviour as a condition of work is not a free choice (whatever others might say)

Plus it wasn’t a men’s only do, they had women there ,just not their OWN!

I am not a feminist,I don’t think that it is just feminists who think woman (or men come to that) should be able to do a job of their choice without being groped. Unless they have choosen to be prostitutes where the transaction is as clear as any other transaction . ( I don’t mean woman forced into prostitution,that’s a whole other debate) I just think it’s time MEN behaved better drunk or not, after all the suffergettes went through we haven’t moved on very far if we haven’t got as many men as we should have to raise their bar. !

Men will never stop looking at pretty women DJ . Whether it be in films, on the beach, in a club, a magazine or whatever .

Can I just point out the agency which hired the women is run by a woman.

What difference does that make? Women ran/run brothels, too. Does that make the sexual exploitation of women any more justifiable?

That is most interesting Oldwoman, i have wondered if women were involved in the agency.

dj Can I just point out the agency which hired the women is run by a woman.

Gilly, shame on you for even thinking about it, get to the supermarket ?

So pathetic, Annie.
It's the men who need to change their way of looking at women as goods and chattels to be used as they see fit.
As I've said before it's a hundred years since the first women got the vote and men still think they own women enough to tell them what to wear, how to serve them.
Such a shame you can't see that.
The Fawcett Society does not agree with you.

I don’t think they hire 56 year old, ugly misery guts women though do they ?

Or else I would apply . I would wear the skimpy clothes too if required but definitely wouldn’t get tips !

These woman need you dj to tell them how you think they should live their lives , I suggest a banner and leaflets and you trot to the agency , stand outside and leap on these women as they enter and exit the Agency and tell them you disapprove of their choice of employment , ask their qualifications and advise what jobs they should apply for.

Good luck.

You don't live in London, either.
You could get £15 an hour if you decided to be a hostess, and be treated like these women, told to get your knickers off, and dance on the table in front of a roomful of men.
Some of these women could be shelfstackers as well, just adding to their poor wages.

So who decides what pay you get as a business?

Of course I don’t “create my own pay” dj
What a silly comment .
And nether do my son or daughter and neither of them get £15 an hour !

good grief, it isn't for me to dictate what employment another woman chooses, and it isn't for you dj, if these girls choose to work as hostesses rather than shelf stacking their choice, not mine and not yours .

carry on with your obsession to dictate , your hysteria needs treating

"Oooops, my error , your brother in law earned his living in a supermarket, well I compliment him dj"

So, Annie, you compliment my brother in law for working in a supermarket, and presumably my nephew as well, but did not think it fair that these women should work in supermarkets?

"Not every girl leaves school with A'levels , some with one or two GCSE's, what should they do? Serve in shops to the proffesional women? Clean their houses? stack supermarket shelves , yes all respectable jobs, but is it fair ?"

Are you really saying they would be better off working as hostesses at dinners like that?

Are we saying they should have been paid more for doing a job that they should never have been doing in the first place? Would that have made it better, somehow?

You create your own pay, though, gillybob.

£15 an hour? Who gets that ? Not me that’s for sure and not my DS or DD for slogging away in the real world.

"Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of business group the CBI, said: “If even half of what’s been written about this event is true, it is deplorable and confirms how far we have still to go to stamp out sexual harassment.

"We want all women to feel confident and respected in every walk of life. We can, and must do better than this.” "

I agree with this.

Dj your magical gifts amaze me, you know what I think now you claim you can hear me, may I suggest a chat with your G.P, ?

Good heavens, and there you are talking about the history of the Labour party every chance you get.
I suppose you are not aware that it's the centenary of women getting the vote this year, are you?
I think you'll find that a lot of men agree with these women not being treated like that, not just feminists. I can hear the sneer as you say that word, Annie.

Shall we get back to the main point of all this?

I do not approve of girls being groped but I think it wrong for feminists to try to stop girls doing this work if they choose to do it. There is no battle against prostitution yet many of these women suffer sickening abuse , I wish they didn't work the streets but it is their right if they choose to.

All this talk condeming the men has only led to girls losing their jobs, I see the girls far more victims of feminists than men.

Would you like your granddaughter to be told to have a glass of bubbly, then rip her knickers off and dance on the table in that uniform, all for just more than the London living wage?