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The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

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TerriBull Thu 25-Jan-18 09:55:46

I expect this is going to divide opinion, but what's your take on the Men Only charity event that's all over the news. However, for those not familiar, a bevy of young women, many of them students, were recruited through an agency for this event, they had to be slim and good looking they were told to wear sexy shoes and black underwear to go under the very skimpy dresses provided.They also had to sign a five page disclaimer, which they didn't get to read and weren't given a copy of. A couple of female undercover FT journalists were also amoung these young women and testified to appalling behaviour by SOME of the male guests. To give a flavour of the offers guests were asked to bid for "Plastic surgery to spice up the Mrs" hmm Jess Phillips gave a very good speech in Parliament imo saying these young women who were expected to act as hostesses "were merely bait" Personally I find it sickening that the guise of charity is used as a way to negate the bad behaviour in this sort of evening. I believe some of the high profile charities such as GOSH have told the now defunct Presidents' Club, where to stick their money.

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 16:31:35

Dj, girls have lost jobs with Formula 1 , Darts matches, Boxing Matches ,

I post about my grandchildren when I choose not when you ask.

Oldwoman70 Thu 01-Feb-18 16:02:09

I don't think anyone is condoning the treatment aimed at these women and the company who hired them should take a long look at its employee protection policies.

I also don't think that anyone as the right to dictate how a woman should earn a living. Would I want a relative if mine to take such a job? No I wouldn't but many of these women would not have had the educational opportunities to pursue other "respectable" professions, they may have had to leave school as soon as possible in order to help with family finances. If they choose to take a well paid job which requires them to dress in a certain way then that is their choice, the fault lies with the actions of a some of the men not with the women.

I understand some of the women who have worked at this function in past years have said it was bad this year in comparison - so perhaps we should all be looking at what appears to be a breakdown in values, casual sex, soft porn in main stream films, even the casual use of the kind of swear words which would have shocked in the past.

durhamjen Thu 01-Feb-18 15:52:48

They did not lose their employment. It was a one evening event and they were all paid for it.
There are lots of other events they can go to where they are treated decently.
I am surprised that a mother and grandmother of girls cannot see this.
As I asked before, but I don't think you answered, would you want your granddaughters to be treated like that?

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 15:31:17

Well, it's over. The winners are the outraged feminists and the newspaper and the reporter. The losers are the charities and the girls who have lost their enployment, suppose it's their fault for not getting a degree and earning their wages in a respectable profession

durhamjen Thu 01-Feb-18 15:28:13

I am sorry but this conversation on here just makes me feel sick.
How casn you justify men treating women like that in the 21st Century?
I am frankly appalled at some of you, and yes it's personal.
Some of your remarks are quite disgusting.

How else would you expect the woman who got the video out to dress if not in the uniform she was given?
That's what they were all dressed like.
If they were not dressed like that they would not have been allowed through the door.

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 14:29:56

....and I imagine this event was not a one off. probably plenty of others still going on.

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 14:28:54

Maybe that is the case Missadventure but could also be that she thought she had better appear disgusted and frightened now that the secret was out.

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 14:28:36

I think you could be correct ,but the staff had to sign contracts presumably so they didn’t spill the beans , this was an undercover journalist report hence some photos to add authenticity

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 14:24:15

My point is that there will have been men and women who attended or worked the event year after year, so I really fail to believe that word never got out in certain circles about what allegedly went on.

MissAdventure Thu 01-Feb-18 14:23:32

It was said by one of the hostesses who had worked at the event a few times, that this years event was frightening and unpleasant compared to previous times.
That could very well be the case, I think?

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 14:20:13

It’s seems it’s the first time that undercover filming took place, I’m don’t think I know what your point is Gillybob?

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 14:17:53

presumably the tickets were bought & paid for long before the event

Yes Bridgeit but lets not forget this event has been going on for over 30 years. Probably attracting the same men (and women) over and over again.

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 14:08:32

It could have been a fundraising event for cross dressers , trans, prostitution anything you care to name, but it wasn’t was it.

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 14:06:29

I’m sorry Annibach I don’t understand your last post, but it does seem you don’t like to consider another point of view, but do like point scoring .

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 13:57:23

So it depends on which charities would benefit ?

And many women and men seeing that black dress would think differently

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 13:50:59

I don’t think feminists are alone in disagreeing with the behaviour of these men, presumably the tickets were bought & paid for long before the event. Feminists certainly don’t have the monopoly on advocating a modicum of good behaviour to be expected by these prominent individuals at a charity do where they knew full well which charities would be benefiting, it’s just indulgent,lazy think on the part of some men

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 13:46:24

So naive and wears this ?

www.ft.com/content/075d679e-0033-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 13:44:38

I disagree, hysteria by feminists who it seems lives blameless lives have caused the money to be returned

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 13:44:34

To be honest Bridgeit I find it almost impossible to believe that this event is a one off and imagine others very similar. I also can't believe that GOSH (or other beneficiaries for that matter) didn't know how the money was raised and what "went on" at these all male bashes. I would also imagine that they would have representatives there anyway.

Lots of imaginings ....

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 13:38:59

The behaviour of the fundraisers put Gosh & other beneficiaries in a catch twenty two position, so it is they that have put these charities in this situation. Perhaps you would agree with the same type of fund raising direcly outside the hospital with both the fundraiser & the beneficiary taking half each. perhaps skimpy nurses out fits .?

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 13:24:47

I would like to know if any of the GOSH charity fundraisers were at the event? My guess is yes (but they will keep it very quiet).

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 13:23:59

Me neither Anniebach. Personally I think it was very wrong of them to give the money back. It wasn't theirs to give back, it belonged to all of the poor children the CHARITY was set up to help, not some holier than thou pen pusher/fundraiser (who's probably on 100k a year themselves).

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 13:23:00

Actually Anniebach, I have a collection box for Gosh, because a family member is treated there.

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 12:48:31

Wonder how many here would care where GHSH got money from if they had a very sick child a patient there , I wouldn't care if it was financed by a bank robbery

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 12:27:46

The very essence of "charity" is to give to those in need.

How can we expect anyone in desperate need to give a second thought to where or even how the money was raised?