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Are older people today out of touch politically with younger generations?

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James2451 Tue 30-Jan-18 13:12:03

I do. not wish at this stage to state my own views , simply because I desire to hear far more objective views..

Last weekend during a family lunch chat the subject got round to politics,,Brexit and Theresa May abilities. That led to discussion on the voting around the referendum, the GE & prejudices generated by age and the role of the media.

Strong views expressed that Older People have been brain washed by the tabloids far more than the under 50’ ,who tend to form their views by wider open debates on social media and TV politics..
Strong views expressed about the RW media role in the referendum and since. Younge grandchilder expressed the views that the Tabloids rarely expressed an unbiased view and have for years distorted political views and that is the main reason why such as anti eu distorted stories are still strongly believed and expressed in respect of over 70’s , that older people tend to be self centered and so often reject younger peoples opinions out of hand. Majority of under 50’s seem to consider older member of society are in the main stubborn and frequently have what was described as having a bloody minded RW brain washed mentality.
Is there any truth in that view?

It was fascinating to hear such strong views from younger family members, especially at it is really their future and their democratic systems we are determining upon. Views please.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Feb-18 12:55:17

Our young people are in their late teens and early 20s Bridgeit. The youngest was just too young to vote in the last election but is doing a politics degree (politics and ... not just pure politics) so extremely interested. The older two, now 21, did vote and were very interested in what each party was saying. They come from a politically aware family have also been forming their views for many years. I also heard and joined in discussions with their friends who seemed to understand and reason in a way that could teach some older people a great deal.

I cannot see how replying to someone else's question, Wally's in this case, can be stopping the flow. It must, surely, as 'reply' suggests, be continuing it. I suggest if you have a problem with the 'flow' you 'chastise' Wally rather than me - as you decided you should.

Jalima1108 Tue 06-Feb-18 13:08:41

Many schools, even at primary level, have School Councils, and sub-committees, eg an Eco-Committee.

What is a school council?
A school council is group of students who are elected to represent the views of all pupils and to improve their school
"School council" means all kinds of school-based groups run by students, including student forums and youth parliaments.

Learning about democracy in a practical way too.

knickas63 Tue 06-Feb-18 14:10:21

I would just like to say that the 'New Young Voters' that I know voted Labour NOT because of a promise to look into Student Debt, but for many other reasons. They are all informed and intelligent young people. To call them brainwashed is extremely insulting. They look to the bigger picture, and I am quite proud of the fact that the majority are NOT brainwashed.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Feb-18 14:50:04

There is a perfectly good argument for "free" education. Why, just because a young person holds that point of view are they either naïve or brainwashed? I am very much in favour on both lifetime education and "free" education. Do those who fling these bullying insults around think every single person who holds this view is naïve and brainwashed?

We all reached the opinions we do prompted by both emotional and rational reasons but it seems to me there is a lack of reasoning in some posts and the emotion takes over until it is just plain rude.

Bridgeit Tue 06-Feb-18 16:17:46

GG, I took your sentence ‘ our young voters’ to mean the country’s young voters, do I take it from your more recent post that you were referring to your own family .?

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 16:27:55

Many younger voters about to go to Uni or just started there would have voted Labour primarily because of what Corbyn was promising......who could blame them? It was never going to happen in all likelihood and would have been placed on the back burner as an aspiration, as it was later called.
No doubt they will be the ones not voting for Corbyn in the future.

WilmaKnickersfit Tue 06-Feb-18 16:36:09

lemongrove did you read my post with what Corbyn actually said? He did promise to cancel student debt. One sentence in isolation was taken from an interview the media changing its context. Please look at either of the fact checking links in my post for the truth.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Feb-18 16:40:50

Bridgeit I didn't say "our young voters" neither did I say the young people in our family they voted Labour. I did say they are no more naïve or brainwashed than the majority of people on here talking about their own views. Nor, I would add, are they as self-serving as Lemons now suggests.

I do not understand why anyone thinks they will win over another person to their point of view by insulting people or putting forward views, as Lemons has done, that have no factual basis. Why does it mean so much to you both to belittle others rather than put forward the points why you think something is or isn't a policy you believe in?

Bridgeit Tue 06-Feb-18 16:45:52

Is this a wind up.? Do you really not see that ,that is exactly what you do , ad nausem.
Never mind I’ve more important things to be doing. Enjoy .

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Feb-18 16:49:32

Just in case people don't WMKF:

Mr Corbyn said he would “deal with it” in some way, and was looking at ways to reduce it, or abolish it, but also said there wasn’t a firm policy on it. Some media outlets and other MPs went further.

Unfortunately Corbyn cannot do anything about the media outlets, other MPs or those like Lemons who want to report things that were never actually said.

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 16:49:46

10.08.44 GGM2 ......you did indeed say ‘our young people’.

Chewbacca Tue 06-Feb-18 16:50:19

*Our young people* are in their late teens and early 20s Bridgeit. Today @ 12.55 GracesgranMK2 ???

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Feb-18 16:50:33

When and where have I called you names Bridgeit or are you leaving on a lie?

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 16:51:34

Care to aplogise to Bridgeit ?

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 16:52:31

You have said ‘our young people’ now in two posts GGM2

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Feb-18 17:07:20

10.08.44 GGM2 ......you did indeed say ‘our young people’.

Our young people are in their late teens and early 20s Bridgeit. Today @ 12.55 GracesgranMK2 ???

This is becoming very boring. I did indeed say "our young people". I do quite frequently and it has never been a problem before.

What I did not say, which Bridgeit "quoted" me as saying was "our young voters". I have no idea what you get out of this but three of you trying to prove one of you right when, if you read the posts you would realise she wasn't, is very close to bullying and for what? She misquoted me. That is a fact but one of such little importance that you would really think all three of you might have better things to do.

Now Lemons, perhaps the apologies should come from the three of you but I won't hold my breath know you find it extremely hard to apologise.

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 17:24:18

When you say ‘our young people’ it is not clear what you mean at all! But nothing new there.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Feb-18 17:25:40

Still bullying Lemons. No apology even though you asked me for one when you thought you were right I see.

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 17:28:52

Go back and read the posts, both yours and those by Bridgeit.
Stop all this nonsense about ‘bullying’ GGM2 you are not five years old!

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Feb-18 17:31:59

She misquoted me Lemons. That is all I said and that is true. What are you actually trying to achieve with all this?

MaizieD Tue 06-Feb-18 19:01:47

When you say ‘our young people’ it is not clear what you mean at all! But nothing new there

What absolute nonsense, lemon; it was glaringly obvious that she was talking about young people in her family circle the minute she quoted their age range. I don't think this is the first time you have displayed comprehension difficulties You just like to get your wooden spoon out...

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 19:08:59

You had to read the earlier posts first
It was sheer pedantry GGM2 on your part, so no wonder Bridgeit said she had better things to do.
‘Young people’ ‘young voters’ same difference when you are talking about young people voting ( which you were.) You were not talking of young people being acrobats or young
Anthing else in all your posts, so yes, they were young voters.End of.

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 19:10:37

A childish and patronising post Maizie from you.

MaizieD Tue 06-Feb-18 19:13:22

Trying to wriggle out of comprehension failure, lemon?

I've read the whole thread and I prefer to respond to what
people say, not what I thought they said.

GG2's post was crystal clear and didn't warrant Bridgeit's sarcastic comment.

lemongrove Tue 06-Feb-18 19:16:18

Well, you would say that Maizie wink
There is no comprehension failure, it was pedantry pure and simple.