The Poverty of Brexit

I'm 71, hugely anti Brexit and rather fed up of being lumped together with the many misguided older people who voted for it. I'm not the only one I have several friends who did likewise and I feel so strongly I've struggled to avoid the subject with some family and friends who are brexiters. I feel so angry with David Cameron who started it all then scarpered.

Int: Would your first hope be that Labour, the opposition, shifts it's position.

F: Yeah, I think so. And we need young people. There's a stereotype that young people don't get involved in politics. To be honest, I wouldn't have been involved in politics either until 2016, in February when I realised, oh crap, we have been debating this forever and nobody has bothered to explain 'what is the single market' and we can do it in 20 seconds. The single market is a system whereby you only need to make a single version of whatever you want to sell and it will be legal everywhere in Europe. That means you can buy and sell your stuff a hell of a lot cheaper. Now we could have had a conversation on that. We could have had a conversation and informed debate on what the single market is. Instead, David Cameron chose to just say, 'you need the single market or the zombies will come'. They could have had, if you treat people like adults they might actually listen to you. So I got pulled off the bench because, having studied EU law, I realised 'oh no, we're going in the wrong direction because the politicians haven't been telling us the whole story'. So young people need to just recognise that this is their future it needs to be their choice.

Int: Okay, a big case there, made by Femi Oluwole

From the website where they are crowdfunding:
We're going to stop Brexit. The Youth (the UK's Future) doesn't want Brexit. So we're doing what we do best: Asking Mum & Dad for a favour.

Int: What do you think about the leadership of the main parties on this at the moment.

F: Well, you've got Theresa May who essentially, well a recent poll came out and said that three-quarters of the people have no idea what she wants on Brexit. I imagine she actually counts among them and you have Jeremy Corbyn … Okay, I have a background in Human Rights; I should be on Jeremy Corbyn's side but I'm not entirely there. He's the most inspiring politician – I mean, I'm a lefty – so he should be my guy but his stance on Brexit, I mean allowing it to happen, is going to make lives harder for the very people he's trying to protect. If he wants and NHS that functions he needs to make sure we have an economy that can support the public services. If he wants to make sure we have all the jobs we need he needs to make sure we don't discourage EU migrants who currently make up relatively more of our doctors than we do.

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Int: So another referendum.

F: Yes, there should be a vote.

Int: And are you confident that this would reject leaving the European Union.

F: Well, as I said, the current deal being negotiated isn't seen favourably by anybody and it does require young people to say that this can't happen. The under 55 population of the UK voted to remain. So, in five years time, by absolutely anyone's maths, we have a population that voted to remain in the EU. In that time, will we have completed Brexit? Will we have all our own laws? Can you re-legislate the UK in five years? No. Will we have all our own trade deals? Can you make trade deals with hundreds of other countries in the world in five years? No. So before Brexit is even close to completion we have a population that doesn't want it. It will no longer be the will of the people and we know that. It's a hard truth to take but it is the truth. So it is our future. Whose going to be looking for a job in that economy? Whose going to be raising a family it that economy? Whose going to be looking for a mortgage in that economy? It's the people that voted not to have this.

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I don't know if anyone will be able to see Sky's All out Politics shown this morning but in it Femi Oluwole co-founder of Our Future our Choice was interviewed. This is the interview. Int (Interviewer) F (Femi)

Int: 52% of voters may have chosen to leave the European Union but according to data from YouGov those aged between 18 and 24 the vote was actually the vote was actually a huge 75 to 25 majority in favour of remain. Joining me now is Femi Oluwole, who is the co-founder of Our Future our Choice, a campaign group of young people who think Brexit is a disaster and should be stopped. First of all about the campaign then, what are you going to do?

F: We're going to mobilise young people across the country to basically say 'this is our future it should be our choice'. That's why we called it Our Future Our Choice or OFOC for short. We're going to be going to the north, talking to people, understanding why they voted out and speaking to them. Understanding the problems that led to this vote.

Int: And, given that there was a majority for leaving, what do you want to do about it. Do you want another referendum, do you want MPs to rethink, how would you like to reverse this decision? If you could reverse it.

F: Right now both Brexit voters and Remain voters aren't happy with the deal currently being negotiated in Brussels. So it only makes sense that we should have a hand on, take back control of, the process that is currently happening. We should have a say in whether this deal is going to make our lives worse or better.

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Brilliant thread, Maizie. I bet Boris takes no notice, though.

A picture of what various sectors can expect after Brexit

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I wonder how many times he'll slip in 'take back control' [#brainwashing]and 'independence day' [#more brainwashing]. Perhaps even 'project fear' and 'straight bananas'? Wonder if he's written two speeches as well and will decide on the day which way to go...#tossofacoin

So, Boris Johnson is going to make a speech which will convert Remainers to the True Faith:

The foreign secretary will call on remain and leave voters to unite, insisting that Britain can take advantage of the referendum vote for economic gain but only if it is ready to diverge on regulations.

In the first of a series of speeches by senior cabinet ministers, Johnson wants to appeal to the instincts of those who voted remain, but his argument will be heavily criticised by those who see the EU as a major liberalising force.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/12/eu-endgame-is-political-unity-not-free-trade-argues-boris-johnson

The critiques have already started:

Toby Morse

An open letter to Boris Johnson:

Dear Mr Johnson

You are planning to address why Remainers’ hearts are scarred by leaving the EU. Allow me to give you some insights from a Remoaner snowflake that might help. 1/18

twitter.com/TobyOCM/status/963172167516086272

Some of you may enjoy the thread.

For myself, nothing that lying and self serving Boris Johnson could ever say or do would reconcile me to the Leave vote.

Here's a brilliant link for remainers.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/say-what-nine-times-brexiteers-left-remainers-scratching-their-heads_uk_5a819d74e4b08dfc93061c61?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

Don't ever stop now you've got it whitewave. Even understanding the fake news, etc., the internet is full of free knowledge and the people who share it are teachers in their own right. I appreciate every single link - even it if isn't on something I am interested in, as it is someone offering me free knowledge and information they have bothered to read and share.

By George, she's got it!

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No, carry on. Practice makes perfect, didn't you know?

I shall have to learn to ration myself

Yes, Maizie, I think she's got it....

There's no stopping you now with the links ww

This is what the U.K. took a major part in forming over the years. We should be proud of our success

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infacts.org/labour-already-eu-policy-not-bad/

An interesting article explaining Labour's policy.

This what the Brexiters are not talking about

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Hope this works- always 50/50

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Some sayings from the Troglodytes

Gove -“ The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards”
June 2016
Davis -There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside”
Fox -“The free trade agreement that we have to negotiate with the EUwill be the easiest in history”
Farage- “Brexit will be dead easy”

Bank of England just reported that since the referendum £7.7bn has been wiped off investment in the U.K.

Oh!! Now £100k - blimey!!

Since the headlines attacking Soros BfB has raised £80k in less than a week, and counting!