The Poverty of Brexit

In many ways the other EU countries are more democratic than the UK, ww. How many of these countries elect governments by "First Past The Post"?

Countries which have more democratic PR systems of voting find that they often have to form coalitions to command a true majority of the electorate. This means parties actually having to co-operate with each other - a concept almost alien in the UK.

As they are used to give and take between their own political parties, it is not so difficult for them to have the same co-operative attitude in their dealings with each other.

Meanwhile the UK is still stuck with confrontational politics epitomised by the very design of the HoC. No wonder our society has become so polarised.

Since the EU referendum, the Remainers have made umpteen concessions. The Leavers just respond by pushing for a more and more extreme scenario - Brexit at any cost, no matter the damage it will do.

I am fed up with hearing politicians of all parties preface any remark by "We accept the result of the referendum. We are leaving the EU". I don't accept it and I hope that at some point those politicians who do not want to be complicit to inflicting such damage on our country will be brave enough to stand up and say what they truly believe.

Yes varian I should have made it clear that the last sentence as my contribution, everything else the Observer.

And I agree entirely with your post.

I like the point made in the Observer article where Andrew Neil was exasperated about fudging and flanelling from Greg Hands.
Andrew Neil burst out “Have you any idea what you are talking about?”
Hands replied that he was the trade minister so he should know what he was talking about.
Neil barked back “That is what worries me!”

Exactly. That is what worries me too.

Was that from the interview on Daily Politics last week? - Wednesday I think. Andrew Neil got exasperated by him.

I didn’t see it but it is all over the social media.

I suppose the truth is exactly as that interview suggests. The government doesn’t know whether it is coming or going.

Good job there is nothing important to make a decision about

"they all are also agreed that only the continual closest possible relationship will support economic growth."

Wrong. They are not united in thought though, are they? Blinkered Remainers want the UK to flounder post EU.

In your excitement you are failing to read articles which suggest that the future is bright. Predictions up to 2050 indicate the UK will be doing well because it has thrown off the shackles of the EU and benefits from emerging markets.

Remainers sneer at Sun articles showing how most financial institutions have had to revise their predictions for UK economy growth post referendum, and so now you can sneer at the Independent article of last year and say they print 'made-up articles' too. (Pathetic retort!)

I dare say your Project Fear blinkers are super-glued on, and you will continue to refuse to acknowledge that the future could be very good for us, out of the EU.

Brexit will prove to be little more than a bump in the road for the UK economy in the long run and the country will successfully defend its spot as one of the world’s fastest growing developed economies in decades to come, according to predictions published in a new study.

Professional services firm PricewaterhouseCoopers in a report published on Tuesday projects that the UK will slide just one place—to 10th from 9th—in the global purchasing power parity (PPP) rankings by 2050.

After a year of major political shocks with the Brexit vote and the election of President Trump, it might seem brave to opine on economic prospects for 2017, let alone 2050,” says John Hawksworth, the chief economist at PwC.

He adds, however, that he has “a relatively positive long-term growth projection for the UK” as a result of “favourable demographic factors and a relatively flexible economy by European standards”

The European Union’s share of world GDP could fall to below 10 per cent by 2050 with France falling out of the top 10 and Italy out of the top 20, according to PwC’s report.

Now, why am I thinking that some (negative) articles mean more to Remainers? It's a bit like the referendum result. It isn't recognised because it didn't go their way.

Project fear - is that the one where brexiteers speculate on how bad the future will be for the the UK if we don't leave the EU, the one that they used to swing a leave vote?

Enjoy the positive news of the article above, or is that verboten as a remainer?

Aren't you relieved many consider and predict a good outcome, decades from now, because of new and emerging markets?

You can keep harping on about the Brexit Bus, the referendum campaigns and you can continue to convince yourself all Leave voters were gullible lemmings with no intellect or grasp of the issues, even though that is not the case, or you can move on. It's happened.

Is sliding down a place in the economic tables. now considered something to aim for? Seems like “ it won’t be as bad as you think” is some kind of achievement.

Brexit will prove to be little more than a bump in the road for the UK economy in the long run and the country will successfully defend its spot as one of the world’s fastest growing developed economies in decades to come, according to predictions published in a new study.

Well, we could just toss the Leavers' mantra back at you Day6 How does it go? 'No-one can predict the future... Economists usually get it wrong...etc...'

Brexit hasn’t happened Day6. Not yet. Do you mean the Referendum happened?
A referendum is not binding in the UK and Brexit may never happen. And even if Brexit happened, it might be very soft and could be reversed by a future government.

Day6, are we seriously meant to celebrate that "many consider and predict a good outcome *decades from now*"?

And apparently only predicting a "good" outcome, too, so nothing to suggest that it will be any better than it has been as part of the EU!

Oh, and isn't "predicting" what you have been repeatedly mocking remainders for?

It will only fall one place by 2050- great news - so that’s 32 years time! Can’t wait ! What was that about long term predictions?

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

As you can see, that came from the FT.

Day6, PWC are involved in the pensions scandal in Carillion.
Do you really rate them that highly?

Interesting point here “Jacob Rees-Mogg Is a Nightmare for Britain's Bosses”
High-value manufacturers would suffer even if Britain signed trade deals with every non-EU country after a hard Brexit, according to a new research model
www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2018-02-09/jacob-rees-mogg-s-brexit-dreamland-is-a-nightmare-for-many
Funny having a tory gov which is so intent on destroying businesses.”

That shows that however we leave, we lose out, suzie.
Well done, Brexiteers.

I saw a report the other day about African countries getting together to form a trading bloc because they think the European one is good and that the U.K. is bonkers to leave. South America has also begun looking at becoming a trading bloc - soon the whole world will be in these blocs and the U.K. will be out in the cold with little clout to get a good deal.

I am so fed up with the simplistic "I want" of the leavers. Why are we pandering to them as we would to small children. What we learn as grow older is that "I want" is limited by "this is possible". I am very angry at the attacks on civil servants by head banging leavers too.

The leavers are still trying to blame anyone and everyone as they did before the referendum and will whatever the outcome. It will always be someone else's fault.

The hatred shown to Soros over his donation certainly backfired in that he more than doubled his donation. I believe he lived in U.K. for a while when he was young.

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/11/george-soros-best-for-britain-pro-eu-100000

I think I want the right wingers to carry on attacking him!

. Jen

Could someone tell me exactly what Best for Britain are hoping to do? I have looked at their site and find it difficult to tell.

Remain!! gg they are not prepared to accept even a soft Brexit.

As they said over the weekend.

“Stay strong, stay angry”