Jeremy Paxman says 'no votes for pensioners'

I dont think so elegran, I understood it was local elections only across the EU. I might be wrong and know someone will be sure to tell me if I am.

I'm afraid your last post does tend to confirm paddyann's point, nn

Well lets hope you get another referendum asap paddyann and that you finally leave and give us, who love England as I do, a bit of peace. Roll on the day!

Do Britons living and working in other EU countries vote in elections held in those countries?

And taking away the right to vote would be the ultimate betrayal.

Scots who voted Remain may feel betrayed, but Remainers all over the UK feel the same.

Scanning the thread, I noted the following from loopy:
"I am tired of older men being paid a fortune by the BBC when if they were women they would have been dropped ages ago."
So I looked up Kirsty Wark and found that she is 63, not so very much younger than Paxman. She is on the list of high BBC earners between £150K and £199K, less than a number of other female presenters, such as Alex Jones (£400K+), Fiona Bruce (£350K+) and Victoria Derbyshire (£200K+)

(https://news.sky.com/story/bbc-talent-full-list-of-highest-earners-10953675)

Well Nigglynellie that would be becaus ethe "little englanders" are looking backwards to a country that only exists in their heads .The peopel north of the border remember what life was really like and want to move forward with more progressive government and WE understand that the UK was very much involved in ALL decisions in the EU and that the UK got preferential treatment in many areas..and thats something that appears to have escaped many who voted to "take back control" ...well hell mend them...taking back control wont be what they think it is .Scotland may well be part of the UK BUT it has seperate laws and education systems amongst other things and we need to make sure OUR way of life is protected and that wont happen when Westminster is in control .You are right though I hate and despise the fact we are in this "union" that isn't a union at all..but a dictatorship

Paddyann whether you like it or not Scotland is part of the UK, it had the chance to leave the union and chose not to.

As I understand it one of the key factors in that choice was that if Scotland were to leave the UK they would also no longer be part of the EU. I can completely understand why Scots should feel betrayed by, and resentful of, the English (and Welsh) for apparently tossing away something which they, the Scots, felt to be important.

Leavers, having made their choice in many instances on 'emotional' grounds should not be surprised that the Scots can be a bit emotional about the Leave vote which goes against their clearly expressed wishes. What amounts to telling them 'hard luck' 'suck it up' is hardly going to reconcile them to the decision.

It is outrageous that the 3 million citizens of other EU countries living in the UK (some of them for most of their lives) were not allowed to vote in the EU referendum, in spite of paying their taxes all these years. These people were the most affected by the brexit threat.

Nor are they permitted a vote in our General Elections.

What happened to "no taxation without representation"?

Paddyann whether you like it or not Scotland is part of the UK, it had the chance to leave the union and chose not to. The referendum was a vote for the UK collectively, not one particular part of it. How is it that it is only the people of England that are sneered at for being ' Little Englanders' but the three other countries making up the UK are applauded for their patriotism and are proud to be recognised as such, particularly the Scots

I almost suggested that perhaps Paxman might trust SCOTTISH over 65s to vote correctly, and alow them to keep their franchise while only depriving English ones. However, I decided that could have repercussions against a different demographic (Old Scottish farts) who already face enough problems.

can I just repeat that WE did not vote leave ..ENGLAND or a small proportion of it voted leave and we are being dragged out against our will .Scotland voted remain ..62% of us .So for the Gran further up who hadn't considered the Irish problem it would appear that little englanders didn't consider ANYONE but themselves and simply because they are the largest country in the "union" they can bully the rest of us .Quite frankly its disgusting that we dont get any say in whats being discussed or decided ..our "scottish secretary of state" the clown Mundell has done a vanishing act and wont comment on the whole sorry state of affairs .The folk in the borders who voted for him must be thrilled at how he 's performing ....not

Sorry, 3 million, isn't it?

Maybe the 3000 EU residents should stop paying UK taxes unless they are given a vote. Government wants to take away the right to vote in local elections from them. That's the only one they are allowed to vote in at the moment.

I was thinking about that this morning djen - did Paxman choose this week deliberately when he said that a large proportion of the population should be disenfranchised?
I doubt that the irony has passed him by.

Let us hope we never have to choose jura2.
Although some of us could be better off -
'no taxation without representation' could be our slogan when we head for revolution.

I daresay the DM will find some statistics to suit whatever headlines it is printing.

Just a thought - Emmeline Pankhurst must have been in her 60s when she got her first vote.

Yes- Eloethan- I agree totally. I was very upset to hear our youngest had not voted, like your daughter.

Paxman is stirring à la Paxman- and it certainly worked. We are in our late 60s and early 70s- and voted firmla remain- but we know so many who voted 'leave' for all sorts of reasons which did not stand scrutiny, I'm afraid.

At the end of the day, if I had to choose- banning over 75s from voting, or giving the vote to 16 years olds (it is after all their future, and not the over 75s, statistically...) - then I'd give it to 16 year olds.

It's impossible for other newspapers to have different statistics on age, surely.

There is much talk of democracy, just as long as everyone votes the right way.

It was done to stir it, obviously, and to keep himself in the limelight.

If it were possible to say to any demographic group, "You voted the wrong way, so you can't vote any more," then over time ALL voters would be disenfranchised by successive waves of governments in power. Dictators and totalitarian regimes would love that. Once in, they could make sure they were never voted out again.

Eloethan Opinions are becoming even more polarised and there seems to be little room for trying to see different points of view and reaching some form of compromise. If gn is anything to go by your are absolutely right.

I think it has all been said but not all been listened to so I am off this thread.

It is, in my opinion, unacceptable to make assumptions about whole groups of people - and to suggest that over 65s should not be allowed to vote is just plain silly.

I do feel that a lot of younger people are very upset about the outcome., although certainly not all were remainers. My son and his partner were and most of my friends, but my daughter didn't vote because she was not convinced by the debates on either side and thought, whatever the outcome, the balance would always be tipped in favour of mega rich individuals and corporations.

I think it should be borne in mind that many young people who had the right to vote in the referendum did not do so. Perhaps it was because they felt distanced from the whole political process. Alternatively, having known nothing but the EU themselves, they believed it was a foregone conclusion because most people would vote to keep the status quo. Older people had a different, more nationalistic, perspective and, some might say, looked back on the past with rose tinted glasses.

I do find the situation now very depressing. Opinions are becoming even more polarised and there seems to be little room for trying to see different points of view and reaching some form of compromise.

Does he mean it also to apply to voting in Parliament?

" There are now 24 MPs over the age of 70, more than ever before, and 107 aged between 60 and 65 - another record.

Of those elected at the 2015 General Election, on average, Labour MPs are older than those from the other largest parties. 29% of Labour MPs are aged over 60 compared to 15% of Conservatives, 13% of Liberal Democrats and 7% of Scottish National Party MPs. The average age for SNP MPs is 46, the lowest average for any of the four largest parties (those with 8 or more MPs)."
The Telegraph, Thursday 08 February 2018

Jeremy Corbyn is 68.

Other newspapers may have different statistics, of course.