Jeremy Paxman says 'no votes for pensioners'

Although really Varian all that stuff is for another thread.

Nothing, de nada, zilch.

It's not my fault either * gaggi*. It's not the fault of any of us who voted to Remain. I am not interested in blame, what I want to know is what we can do to prevent this disaster from happening?

I was naive and assumed that voting was about what was best for the majority, but have been thoroughly disillusioned by recent political events. I am a remainer despite being in my 70’s, so definitely feel the current chaos, which I was certain would ensue if we were to leave the EU, is not my fault.

So we don't need to pay our taxes?! "No taxation without representation"!

Strangely enough, it was Jeremy Paxman's programme some time ago which persuaded me to vote leave. In it he showed us the enormous buildings in Brussels and Strasbourg and described how the system worked (or not). Far too many unelected people living on a gravy train, no accounts audited or passed for over 20 years. Everything moved at great expense from Brussels to Strasbourg and back once a month.

You like people who say outrageous things trisher ?

varian the yougov poll is exactly that , a poll.
Nobody asked me how I voted. It was mainly done through phone polls.

AmMaz I still find it interesting that people will focus on the unlikely scenarios (over 65s losing the vote) and past arguments (the disaster that is Brexit) rather than discussing the real issues confronting future generations. Unaffordable housing being one of them. The problems resulting in certain areas becoming zones where people providing public services cannot afford to live being another.Those same people relying on foodbanks because of wage freezes. The appalling conditions families living in B&B accommodation endure whilst their landlords collect millions is another. But none of these things affect GNers so why discuss them? Much easier to go on about how hard our childhoods were than to recognise that although the country may be richer and some may be much better off there are still real problems that need addressing.
As for Paxman there's a lot of shooting the messenger going on here simply because you don't like the message. Personally I have no feelings whatsoever about him but I do like people who say outrageous things and then let everyone get in a huff about it.

These people all talked about their inflation-proofed pensions, exotic long haul holidays, home improvements, luxury purchases etc.
Gosh, you move in very well-heeled circles varian! Indeed there are older people who are quite wealthy but there are also many who are struggling on the breadline.

Just like people in their 30s, 40s and 50s really - perhaps not so many of them in their 20s as they are starting to make their way in the world, just as we were doing at their age. Although I don't remember that phenomenon called a 'gap year' in my day.

I dislike the sort of argument that tries to cause division - "young people" suffer because of "old people" - there are rich and poor in all age groups. I think Paxman's comments may have been publicity seeking - has he got a book coming out?
My thoughts exactly!

I laughed when I read that Paxman did not take his state pension Surely he needed it to pad out the other £1000000 that he had 'earned' for his services to that righteous organisation called the BBC
I once was shocked in Germany, years ago to see a gray straggly haired woman reading the news with as much gravitas as any male might have mustered. Still, some 40 years later, the BBC has not managed to find an elderly, intelligent woman, who might be regarded as competent in reading an auto-cue and, indeed, making the appropriate analysis required
I am well over 65 and voted to leave the EU ( I am, in fact very pro Europe) because of sovereignty. When I see the way M Juncker and M Barnier adopt such bullying tactics( placed in their elevated position not by any democratic process I believe, but by pressure from Frau Merkel) I think my decision is justified

I think the evidence is pretty conclusive, lemon. Over 65s were twice as likely as under 25s to vote to leave the EU.

yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/

You should never argue at the risk of losing friends Varian
In any case there will be just as many who voted Remain who talk about those self same things!

Nobody knows how many older voters, or younger voters there were for Leave or Remain, numbers were guesstimates from sample polls.
On GN ( older voters) it seems about half and half.
Family members and friends split into two camps and age had nothing to do with it.
Moving on from Brexit issues, it seems that we almost all agree that Paxo should be shoved into a certain cavity!

The only member of my family who voted for Brexit was the youngest eligible to vote - DGD then aged 24. The rest of us were flabbergasted!

Daily Fail strikes again....
I find J Paxman's comments arrogant, offensive and devisive.
We're a mix of people, all with different views. Exactly like the rest of the population.

We were invited out for a meal recently with a friend and her other friends. We are all in our sixties or seventies.

These people all talked about their inflation-proofed pensions, exotic long haul holidays, home improvements, luxury purchases etc.

They had all voted Leave and I have to admit that we just avoided the subject of Brexit. Were we just being polite or should we have argued with them at the risk of losing a friend?

How old is he? Is he including himself in that category? Bloody cheek

H and I didn’t vote to leave but some of those who did I don’t think they understood the situation, a lot of over 60s at the time of the poll voted to leave only because they felt there were to many emigrants, they did not understand any thing about brexit only to try and stop the emigration.
As we see day to day on the tv and in the news papers there is so much more to leaving then immigration it’s confusing and you really have to read and listen to all that’s said. When ever I am out if it’s at a bus stop, cafe, or on a bus this is all you hear from older people muttering on about emigrates. It’s makes me so cross because a lot of people our age and we are of 65 wanted to stay in.

I don’t know any over 65’s who voted to leave or any under 40’s who voted to stay except for one of my daughters! It’s done and we have to live with it whichever way we vot.

all voting papers are numbered nigglynellie so its possible to see what everyone voted ,they check your card against the paper as you go in t vote and score your name off.It has never really been a secret ballot.The powers that be have always had the ability to find out how you voted.

Grannygranby I dont believe all older people are wise so they shouldn't all be respected for wisdom they haven't got...sadly age and wisdom dont always go hand in hand ...I know many older folk who have as much "wisdom" as a toddler and a lot of very wise teens

trisher , so it was only a flippant idea then...just a joke! And there we all were taking it seriously! (The no vote thing)....When we should have been addressing the real (according to you) issue about the younger generations. Well that's told us and put us all in our place, and demonstrated what a superior intellect you think you've got compared to the rest of us that we just don't understand....

Dear God , Does that mean no politicians , House of commons, House of lords, Local councillors or even Royalty allowed an opinion over 65 .
The country would be in a sad state

I thought casting a vote was a totally private personal matter, and no one, not one person was able to obtain knowledge of anyones vote under any circumstances, completely anonymous? If this is the case, and we all believe it is how can anyone say with certainty that a section of the population voted in such a way, and another section voted differently? It can only be guess work, unless of course the polling booth isn't as private as is thought!! I know a lot of young people who voted leave, but not one would have admitted it to their peers for fear of their reaction, which almost certainly would have been extremely unpleasant.

I think he should stick to what he’s good at - spending vast amount of money fishing stretches of salmon rivers only available to the very privileged few. His waders must be leaking - that would make me grumpy too!

Well - previous Governments have "failed the elderly" for years and years.

I'd like to point out that his statement is ' Agist" against anyone of age - no matter how old! Just the same as a "Sexist" remark!

Any "Who cares what that "old" fool thinks!