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Corbyn and Momentum

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lemongrove Wed 21-Feb-18 22:33:26

Hopefully this will be about politics and news only ,with no personal remarks or attempts to stifle.

Jon Lansman is more dangerous than Corbyn, at least at the moment.

Jalima1108 Thu 01-Mar-18 20:21:50

Just to reinforce the misunderstanding:
University tuition is free in many northern European countries, and under a Labour government, it will be free here too.

Jalima1108 Thu 01-Mar-18 20:19:54

Would this make it clearer?

www.studenthut.com/articles/has-jeremy-corbyn-broken-his-tuition-fee-promise

Labour will reintroduce maintenance grants for university students, and we will abolish university tuition fees.
labour.org.uk/manifesto/education/#fourth

Perhaps people misread that and thought that will reintroduce maintenance grants for university students, and we will abolish university tuition fees meant that they intended to reintroduce maintenance grants for university students, and abolish university tuition fees.

An easy mistake to make.

whitewave Thu 01-Mar-18 20:18:04

And breath grin

MaizieD Thu 01-Mar-18 20:17:35

Wally. You brought up the nuclear weapons topic some time ago. I answered you then and I will repeat it. I also asked a question which you have never answered.

There are 193 countries in this world.

Of those 193 countries only 9 have nuclear weapons.

Can you explain to me why, if we need nuclear weapons to avoid annihilation, the non-nuclear countries haven't been obliterated by nuclear weapons (or other means) some time ago?

Wally Thu 01-Mar-18 20:17:17

I hope this is not a reference to me because I have not made a personal attack on anyone, and have no intentions of doing so.

Grandad1943 Thu 01-Mar-18 20:13:05

There seems to be a number of forum members in this thread who speak of Jeremy Corbyn as some kind of "three headed monster" and those within his shadow cabinet as " bloodsucking vampires" and in that they are not.

In the foregoing the above are nothing more than a group who have come to prominence within the Labour Movement because they expand on a rejuvenated thinking within that movement for polices much closer to those held by Labour at its formation. At some point in the future that thinking, those policies and those persons will be put to the test in a General Election in which all will be able to accept or reject those policies and the persons offering them.

Should the Labour party with Jeremy Corbyn as its leader be elected to government it will be because the majority see no future for them in the centrist political thinking that has so dominated the British politics for more than the last three decades. Therefore, people need only look at the polices that Jeremy Corbyn and his shadow cabinet put forward supported by Momentum and the trade unions and judge if those policies are in their and this country's interest.

In the above, there is no need for personal attacks on those placing that thinking, belief and those policies before all of us as they have brought forward all the foregoing by way of constitutional means accepted by the wider Labour Movement.

As the late Tony Benn so often stated you should always attack the subject matter, and not the person expanding that subject matter in politics

lemongrove Thu 01-Mar-18 20:12:37

That needed to be said Jalima grin

durhamjen Thu 01-Mar-18 20:12:02

"In the run-up to the general election, Jeremy Corbyn made a comment about student debt. Speaking to the NME about the issue, he said: “I will deal with it.”

At the time, this was not widely picked up on by the national media. But – where it was reported – most papers accurately reflected that Corbyn had not explicitly promised to write off all debts. For instance, the Daily Mail said the Labour leader had pledged to “reduce or even write off” student debt."
Channel4 news.

Wally Thu 01-Mar-18 20:11:55

whitewave I agree, but it needs to be observed by all sides.

lemongrove Thu 01-Mar-18 20:11:21

Deal with it! Yes, right.
I wonder if students heard those weasel words.

Jalima1108 Thu 01-Mar-18 20:10:57

Some children were in school today then by the look of the picture:

Uh-uh!
A snowstorm!
A swirling whirling snowstorm.
We can't go over it.
We can't go under it.
Oh no!
We've got to go through it!
Hooo wooo! Hooo wooo! Hooo wooo!

Chorus: We're going on a bear hunt...
Back through the snowstorm!
Hoooo woooo! Hoooo woooo! Hoooo woooo!

sorry, no progression in this post.
But it had to be said grin

durhamjen Thu 01-Mar-18 20:10:00

"Mr Corbyn said he would “deal with it” in some way, and was looking at ways to reduce it, or abolish it, but also said there wasn’t a firm policy on it. Some media outlets and other MPs went further."

From Fullfact.

Wally Thu 01-Mar-18 20:09:47

I repeat for the last time I heard him say it.

durhamjen Thu 01-Mar-18 20:08:23

Wally, look at both my links. HE DID NOT SAY IT.
Channel 4 news says he didn't say it. Fullfact say he didn't say it.
Read what he did say.

whitewave Thu 01-Mar-18 20:07:04

This argument has been had before hasn’t it? With the same posts surely?

It would be more interestingly really if we could progress the debate.

lemongrove Thu 01-Mar-18 20:05:48

Wally perhaps by then they had done the maths ( and turned very pale!)

lemongrove Thu 01-Mar-18 20:04:30

Are we supposed to say ‘ ah, how sweet?’ grin
Is it a Russian Bear? Or a Cuban bear? Or a Venezuelan bear?
?

Wally Thu 01-Mar-18 20:04:00

whitewave I actually heard him say it. They can say its the msn until they're blue in the face but I heard him. Why then would MacDonnel say it was only an aspiration on the Andrew Marr show.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 01-Mar-18 20:03:08

That isn't the definition of communism surely. I wonder if you could point me to anywhere that says it is.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 01-Mar-18 20:00:18

World Book Day sees Jeremy Corbyn reading "We're going on a Bear Hunt"

lemongrove Thu 01-Mar-18 20:00:10

Well, that is what some people hope for it seems, only they don’t like the word Communism.No doubt there is another preferable word....Corbynism?

Wally Thu 01-Mar-18 19:57:46

Lansman is a ( and you can read up on this) supporter of mandatory reselection of all Labour MPs. Just think about this. Any moderate Labour MP would be ousted in favour of the extreme left and then eventually we would have an extreme left government if the people of this country ever voted them in. What's the word I'm looking for, oh yes communism.

lemongrove Thu 01-Mar-18 19:54:53

Rather a shame that Corbyn, now seeing what a terrible mess has been made in Venezuela by the ruling Socialist government, hasn’t come out and said so!
He keeps quiet about anything that he has supported when it goes wrong, when he should be brave enough to speak out.
That an oil rich country like that is reduced to what it now is because ideology has been put before what is sensible and pragmatic is a dreadful warning to all.

whitewave Thu 01-Mar-18 19:47:39

dj is right wally that is a lie by the MSM - I really would recommend you look on social media to verify what the MSM is saying.

Mind you this is a bit old back in August last year but

Corbyn has called for dialogue on all sides. Corbyn then recognised the socialist government’s efforts to assist the poor, address poverty and literacy.

Socialist governments in any country in South America have historically always had a tough time with the USA on their doorstep. The USA sees this as their area of influence and these socialist countries have huge difficulty with us meddling sometimes paying paramilitaries to incite and deal out violence.

durhamjen Thu 01-Mar-18 19:44:37

fullfact.org/education/student-debt-what-did-labour-say/

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