Corbyn and Momentum

Oh so often whitewave.

That’s told you gg

True about dogs and s--t POGS as they are, unfortunately in one case, physical things.

However, it is Annie's opinion of someone she doesn't actually know and she has characterised the character "Corbyn" as a liar and a hypocrite, so this is her Corbyn, a made up character and not the real living, breathing and as complex as the rest of us Corbyn.

I believe therefore, and would be interested if someone with more knowledge than either of us could tell me more, that as "Corbyn" to Annie is just a character she defines by the characteristics she hates, the simple logic still works.

Logic can be very fascinating.

"How are you so certain that those with a particular view about Blair have "returned to Labour because of Corbyn".

Because they have posted they have.

And no I am not going to provide evidence do the search for yourself. Or of course continue to believe this is not the case which no doubt you will do.
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" I do hope you are not including me in your sweeping assumptions."

Nope. I have no idea where you firmly stand to be honest as one thread I think you are Lib Dem another Labour and so on. The only firm stand I notice you take is over ' all things ' Conservative related and I think everybody can see your views for themselves without any pointers from me.

Good leader in the Times.

Suggests that the Tories move to the right and perversely appearing anti-business has left the centre open for Labour which they are successfully exploiting.

Why are you making such a thing of those who are Labour Party General Secretary candidates POGS? Your astonishment seems a little odd. When the Tories elect a new leader do you expect Corbyn to be in that list?

The LP is not the party for those that believe in Conservatism. Some may think that Conservatism is the only true faith but that doesn't happen to be how democracy works.

So the candidates are left of centre but I can not see why that would be surprising or cause extreme exclamation.

I hate lying and hypocrisy too GG MK2 but that does not mean I hate the person who uses either of them.

Just a little bit of logic.

I hate dog s--t on the pavement but I don't 'hate' the dog that did it.

Yes Tony Blair did 'kill' the Labour Party for many supporters and no doubt echo the GN posters who have returned to Labour because of Corbyn

Just a bit of a follow up because both Annie's post and yours seem, yet again, to think you know who has done what. How are you so certain that those with a particular view about Blair have "returned to Labour because of Corbyn". I have a version of the opinion about Blair you decided was what people were saying but I have not "returned to Labour" nor am I only, by any means, interested in Corbyn.

I find many political people, and politics in general, interesting. The only thing I am sure of, life not being as black and white for me as it seems to be for you POGS, is that I despise the Alt-right and neo-liberal politics. After that I am just very interested so I do hope you are not including me in your sweeping assumptions.

As for the Labour Party General Secretary candidates.

If it does transpire that Jennie Formby , Jon Lansman and Andrew Marray are all candidates all I will say is -

YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP! ( as the saying goes.)

Could you quote where you have been told what to think, post or believe Annie? Also could you tell us who you have decided is "of the far-left"?

Just a little bit of logic.

Annie hates those she believes to be liars and hypocrites.
Annie believes Corbyn to be a liar and a hypocrite.
Therefore Annie hates Corbyn.

Democratic socialism is the way forward

Yes Tony Blair did 'kill' the Labour Party for many supporters and no doubt echo the GN posters who have returned to Labour because of Corbyn. Blair was seen as centre / right of Labour and they remained to the left / far left and abandoned the Labour Party during his time as Prime Minister.

Equally

Yes Tony Blair did not 'kill' the Labour Party for many supporters and echo the GN posters who returned to Labour because of Blair. Corbyn is seen as too far left and many supporters may abandon Labour if he becomes Prime Minister. That is as yet an unknown obviously.

There are two repeated lines of thought as to where you stand , The Union activities of the 1970's which were either deemed as 'killing off ' the Labour vote or deemed as ' Labour at it's best'. The other is the Iraq war.

You pays your money you takes your choice.

May I suggest those of the far left concentrate on posting their opinions and stop telling others what to think, post, believe.

I do not hate Corbyn, I do not like liars and hypocrites, and in my opinion he is both.

For me it "died" Annie; I do not think it is now "dead". Is winning elections all you think is important Annie?

Like nightowl I feel the Labour Party lost it's soul when TB took over. It's just a matter of perspective, opinion. You are not right (or wrong) and neither are we. That's why all your "I hate Corbyn" posts are a waste of time. I am still waiting to see how close to democratic socialism the party - not any one leader - moves. We shall see.

Labour Party I said Annie . Separating the personal from the political is a good idea sometimes you know.

Trisher, Corbyn and spiritual ?

Tony Blair , the only Labour Party leader to win three consecutive elections , he got something right

Annie you should know rebirth doesn't require a death, aren't Christians reborn in Christ all the time? It's a spiritual rebirth isn't it? Much as the Labour Party is being.

I think Tony Blair killed it annie but never fear it’s proved to be stronger than him.

As the General Secretary is chosen by the NEC and Momentum hold the power in the NEC ?

re birth? So you think it already dead , oh dear

Your opinion Annie and it may turn out to be true, but it could also be the rebirth of the Labour party going back to it's basic beliefs and producing a much more socially democratic country. How about hoping for the best instead of drowning us in your woe is me/end of the world posts?

Thought, my g grandfather was involved in the birth of the Labour Party. I am witnessing the death of the Labour Party.

To use a rather vulgar expression , it's like pigs guts

Exactly Annie ...but they would say ( have said on GN already) that their money comes from ‘working people’ completely forgetting that rich Tory donors are also employing working people, so in the end, money is money.