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Corbyn and Momentum

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lemongrove Wed 21-Feb-18 22:33:26

Hopefully this will be about politics and news only ,with no personal remarks or attempts to stifle.

Jon Lansman is more dangerous than Corbyn, at least at the moment.

Anniebach Fri 23-Feb-18 10:23:01

The voice of the working people ? The coal miners and their families in Aberfan were not working people?

Anniebach Fri 23-Feb-18 10:20:52

Which is what i said lemon. Unions brought down the Callaghan government . Thatcher came to power and clipped the wings of unions to lessen their power over government . I support unions fighting for their members. Not a Union leader having a desk in Labour H.Q.

Or unions forcing a community to pay to remove dangerous tips and defending the head of the N.C.B. Lord Robens Who should have been sacked . The same N.C.B. Who offered families who had buried their children, killed by the N.C.B. £50 compensation .

trisher Fri 23-Feb-18 10:13:10

Well if it's a choice between the Unions (which are after all the voice of working people) controlling a government, and powerful rich businesses I'll take the Unions
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-how-third-tory-donations-11798246
You can have dinner with Mrs May and senior ministers for £50,000-the money is just for the pleasure of her company of course.

lemongrove Fri 23-Feb-18 10:03:18

Unions are fine and dandy, and necessary, unless they become so powerful that they control governments.

trisher Fri 23-Feb-18 09:57:45

So you didn't like the Callagahan and Wilson governments Annie I thought you were a longtime Labour party member. Did you vote for them or not? It seems your allegiance to Labour is based solely on the Blair model.

lemongrove Fri 23-Feb-18 09:28:01

Perhaps the press and media should take an interest in these local branches then!
I agree Annie and also when you think how hard Kinnock worked to get Militant kicked out of the LP and now, thanks to Miliband and the £3 vote they are all back in again.
The genie is out of the bottle.

Anniebach Fri 23-Feb-18 08:48:45

I have no problem with Unions untill they control a labour government as they did with Callaghan and Wilson governments

Primrose65 Thu 22-Feb-18 23:13:54

So when these local branches add up their spending and add it into the main Unite expenses, does that make up the whole of the accounts of Unite the Union grandad?
Or do the local branches account separately?

Anniebach Thu 22-Feb-18 22:29:32

I cannot agree it is possible to understand why the dead couldn't be buried, I accept another poster can.

Grandad1943 Thu 22-Feb-18 22:15:24

I believe that there is still confusion among some on the forum in regard to the various levels of affiliation by the trade unions. If we again take Unite it is written into their rule book that the organisation will affiliate to the Labour party and that rule is always reaffirmed and voted on at every biannual conference it holds and is funded centrally.

The district and regions subscribe to the above funding dependent on their size and membership numbers. Those district, regional and most of all national affiliations are the ones which attract the attention of the national press and other media, which often is deliberate in not informing its readers etc of the democratic decision process taken on the making of those affiliations.

The industrial and now community branch spending is decided on by the branch officers by way of the local structures they have. Much of that spending goes into assisting members in such things as industrial tribunals, education courses and distress caused by loss of earnings through workplace accident etc. The foregoing can also include funding of any local Momentum structure if they wish, which may be not be large by each individual branch but can be substantial when totaled together.

The above does not attract the attention of the press and media in the way that the National affiliations do, as the largely autonomous branch structure is lay member organized which makes them I believe less interesting to the attention of the media.

Primrose65 Thu 22-Feb-18 21:50:08

Nope lemon - no one cares.

I have a lot of time for Jess Phillips too - I find her straight talking and authentic. I don't always agree with her, but I respect her opinion.

nightowl Thu 22-Feb-18 21:03:29

And clearly a few others would as well.

nightowl Thu 22-Feb-18 21:03:02

Thank you anyway Grandad, some of us have found your thoughtful contributions helpful and informative. Please don’t be put off posting. I for one would be interested in hearing more about your experience.

lemongrove Thu 22-Feb-18 20:46:50

So the end does justify the means.....Momentum are applying dirty tricks right left and centre, often to women,
And nobody on here cares? Jess Phillips,I have a lot of time for cares.

maryeliza54 Thu 22-Feb-18 20:43:14

And me - I. Just. C.B.A.

lemongrove Thu 22-Feb-18 20:43:03

Just curious.

lemongrove Thu 22-Feb-18 20:41:40

Which post don’t you agree with?

GracesGranMK2 Thu 22-Feb-18 20:39:40

And me, I think whitewave.

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 20:38:37

This is where I bow out again!!

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 20:37:40

Oh dear, here we go again. lemon for goodness sake! Can’t we just for one precious evening have an adult conversation?

lemongrove Thu 22-Feb-18 20:36:55

Not at all GGM2

GracesGranMK2 Thu 22-Feb-18 20:35:03

I think you may have misunderstood what has been said Lemon.

lemongrove Thu 22-Feb-18 20:34:58

‘They don’t like trade unions’........ really?! who are the ‘they’
Btw anyone who doesn’t support Corbyn?
I have never read such a sweeping generalisation trisher
It beggars belief.

lemongrove Thu 22-Feb-18 20:32:04

Then you will be thanking me as I started the thread
GGM2 which is a first!

I can find nothing to say that there is an affiliation between Unite and Momentum, just that it is ‘an aspiration’
And that there is an unofficial affiliation with the LP and Momentum.

Jess Phillips said that she would resign if there was an affiliation after all the bad behaviour directed at colleagues of hers by Momentum.

All those on here who are ‘thrilled’ to think Momentum are part of the trade union movement may want to think again.

Am also surprised that women on here are not disturbed by Momentum’s treatment of LP women.
Does the end always justify the means?

trisher Thu 22-Feb-18 20:28:24

Grandad1943 Thanks for such a reasoned and thoughtful analysis of Momentum and its origins. I'm afraid though that the Momentum critics on here will now have labelled you as far-left. They don't like trade unions. They don't seem to realise that mny of the benefits working people now enjoy were hard won by left wing trade union activists.

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