Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/no-10-s-strategy-against-corbyn-risks-bringing-down-the-government-a3775731.html

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Thanks for the transcript of the main points of his speech GGMk2. Exactly what I said yesterday. It's even been dubbed 'the cake and eat it' speech.

Read GracesGran's post, primrose. Those are his words.
First paragraph says A customs union.
I am listening to him now on the news. Perhaps you ought to, too.

So you think he wants to stay in the customs union too Jen?

We have long argued that a Customs Union is a viable option for the final deal. So Labour would seek to negotiate a new, comprehensive UK/EU Customs Union to ensure there are no tariffs with Europe and to help avoid any need, whatsoever, for a hard boarder on Northern Ireland. Labour would not countenance a deal that left Britain as a passive recipient of rules, decided elsewhere by others, that would mean ending up as a mere rule taker.

The European Union is not the root of all our problems and leaving it will not solve all our problems. Likewise the EU is not the source of all enlightenment and leaving it does not inevitably spell doom.

There will be some who tell you Brexit is a disaster for this country and some will tell you that Brexit will create a land of milk and honey. The truth is more down to earth and it is in our hands. Brexit is what we make of it, together; the priorities and choices we make in negotiations.

Customs union and single market are not the same thing, though, primrose.
I thought you would know that.

I don't think it made sense to you though ww.
He didn't say he wants to stay in the CU.
""Britain will need a bespoke relationship of its own. Labour would negotiate a new and strong relationship with the single market "

Do you think that sort of agreement would make it easier to stay within the Space agency, possibly keep Galileo project and easy access to Euratom, retain meaningful links with the medicines agency, keep links with Interpol and other networks etc? That sort of thing worries me.

day6 did you listen to Corbyns explanation as to why labour wants to stay in the CU.?

Makes sense doesn’t it?

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-26/how-a-customs-union-helps-businesses-with-brexit-quicktake

Businesses want a customs union. I think they know what they are talking about.

have believe

I have this talk about communism (and it seems we are talking about revolutionary communism here) is only coming from the very old who were brainwashed after the war. It just requires ignoring as there are very few who feel that way although it is not surprising that some of them pop up on a grandparents forum.

Democratic socialism has given us, according the Economists list (hardly a left wing organ of the press) the most democratic country in the world in Norway. That makes me think we should at least be looking at it.

Just read an interesting analogy - it's like the country as a whole had a stroke at the referendum, and is now getting its senses back.

I see the communist false hood has popped up again. Too much reading the MSM

87% of Labour party members back staying in the EU now.
Good to know that the majority are open to the truth.

It is impossible to have free tariffs and not stay in a customs union, as brexiteers promised.

Like I've said before I have supported Labour all of my life, but if you support this Labour Party you are supporting communism and that has never succeded anywhere on earth.

Here is a bit of pressure

mobile.twitter.com/Open_Britain/status/968059219911086081/photo/1

Yes grandma

I’m now hoping that the pressure from the grass roots and other remainers voting labour to stay in the single market begins to inform labour policy as well.

I think people have to realise that staying in the or a customs union means not leaving the EU. The British people voted to take back control of our borders and be free to trade without interference, staying in a customs union would be a betrayal. Just as was done before the vote on leaving there are people and people on this thread throwing around wild statements about what will happen to us without having any evidence whatsoever to back them up. There are brilliant minds that think leaving will be the best thing that we have ever done, likewise there are others that say the opposite, but what can't be denied is that the British people voted out.

Where on the ballot paper did it ask if we wanted to leave the customs union? Labour have finally decided to act like the opposition they should be and advocate a sensible option, which most MPs agree with. It was foolish enough that a straight majority was allowed to give such a huge backward change to our country. It was much less than half the country overall who voted out.
Surely, the huge drop in sterling and the increased cost of everything has already proved what a bad idea Brexit is.

It is simply not true that a 'majority of the British People' voted to leave the EU. 27.8% of the electorate stayed away from the polls. The 51.9% (of 72.2%) who voted to leave were seduced by palpably untrue claims (lies) about the probable benefits of Brexit. If hard facts had been presented about the benefits that have accrued over our membership of the EU, would the percentages have been the same? The 'remain' campaign did a bad job; the blatant propaganda of the Brexiteers won over a small majority of a reduced electorate.

I agree with your scientist daughter, whitewave.
I wonder what people coming out of university now with first clas degrees in physics are going to do.
I know one, and he is going to take a year off now and hope that at the end there is more certainty about jobs in astrophysics than there is now.
Otherwise he might find himself emigrating further away than the EU.

My scientist daughter thinks Brexit will be a disaster for science and those working in medical and drug research.

"More than 100 groups across Scotland have joined together to demand ‘progress’ for human rights, warning that Brexit mustn’t lead to a ‘race to the bottom’.

Backed by the Scottish Human Rights Commission and The Equality and Human Rights Commission, it comes as new research shows people in Scotland are broadly supportive of human rights.

Mhairi Snowden of the Human Rights Consortium in Scotland, the group which spearheaded the project alongside the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations, told RightsInfo the move was about “making people’s lives better”.

“The clear message is people don’t want to be debating how rights could be reduced, they want to be debating how to progress them and how to make them real for people.” "