Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

Am surprised by some posters thinking the BBC is biased against Labour, of course it isn’t

And you know that how? Or is it just another opinion presented as a fact?

^Interesting that Corbyn says the EU is not the source of all enlightenment and that leaving it will not spell doom! Some of us have been saying that for ages!
He also says Brexit is what we make of it, together......another thing some of us have been saying for ages.^

People on both sides have been saying that Lemons. Have you not been listening perhaps? Imo, the real "majority" probably comprised people who were neither 100% for or 100% against. Sadly, of all the politicians, I only remember Corbyn being prepared to say that was how he felt. Didn't he say he was something like 75% for staying in? No moral high ground for the "we must leave under any circumstances" group because of what he said today; that's for certain.

Am surprised by some posters thinking the BBC is biased against Labour, of course it isn’t.It always used to be said that it was biased too much for Labour, today I would say it’s even handed with reporting.
Politicians and political parties have to be able to take criticism and so do voters of those parties.
No doubt people would like it if they only said good things about the party that they support, but thankfully it doesn’t work that way.

Why do you think there is all the worry of lorry parks at the channel tunnel in Kent?

And why do you think there's all the worry about NI and the Good Friday Agreement? It's all about the border between EU member, Ireland, and non-EU member, UK.

Not that Leavers seem to care very much about reigniting the Troubles in NI. Or about anyone who might be badly affected by Brexit...

Tories betraying the British public here.

inews.co.uk/news/uk/shoppers-may-forced-buy-inferior-milk-america-post-brexit-trade-deal-us/

infacts.org/dup-shafted-irish-sea-border-brexit-deal/

They can't even sort out this border.

No, petra, but there will be.
There are border posts between Norway and Sweden.

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-ireland-border-customs-norway-sweden/

If the UK leaves the EU, because they want control of our borders, EU countries will want control of their borders where UK citizens are concerned. Why wouldn't they?
Why do you think there is all the worry of lorry parks at the channel tunnel in Kent?

They seem to have forgotten what journalism is about. They will challenge everything from today and, to give them their due although it still isn't right, they will no doubt challenge everything from May's speech. But they are journalists not the government or the opposition and I would rather they reported. The interviewing of their own reporters drives me up the wall. How about a few real people?

I so agree with you about what was on the ballot paper Mostly. Why, oh why is Farage allowed to come on once again and tell us what people voted for. He knows no more than we do!

I’m afraid I agree ww. You used to be able to rely on an impartial BBC, but not any longer.

mostly I used to think it sloppy reporting which was bad enough but now I no longer believe that. The balance has completely gone and the BBC is no longer a trusted go to imo for political reaction.

mostly just heard another howler on Brexit broadcasting when talking about tweeted reaction which they read out - 3 | two Tory and one SNP. Saying that’s the reaction so far. All 3 negative.

My god there are millions of tweeted reaction, and some brilliant comments, it wouldn’t have killed them to read out one.

Surely ww Norman Smith (BBC assistant political editor) should make it his business to know what was on the Referendum ballot paper. Is it just sloppy reporting - or is it deliberate?
The 51% didn’t vote to come out of the single market or customs union as that wasn’t on the ballot paper.

Why is it so difficult for the BBC political commentators (all highly qualified and experienced - and extremely well paid) to make fair comments about Labour’s policies?

Yes John Humphreys, Nick Robinson, David Dimbleby, Norman Smith, and Laura Kuenssberg, I mean you! Andrew Neil and Andrew Marr are a little more even handed sometimes, but not always.

Pressure is now on tegan to stay in single market. Don’t get despondent there is everything to play for. The nastier the headlines the more we will know we are winning the argument.

And yet he also says that we still need all the things that the EU gave us anyway. And, on the news just now a member of the govt [energy secretary?] has just said this is the biggest non wartime challenge that any govt had ever had to face. Didn't they say leaving the EU would be 'easy'; do they not think that some of us have memories?? I'm disgusted that the news also said that Labour are letting down their supporters by this stance; from what I've heard from fellow Labour voters, most of us want to stay in the customs union and the single market, so it's only a minority that he's 'letting down' [that and the UKIP[ vote that everyone is so desperate for]. Still feel that no one represents me in any way any more.

Interesting that Corbyn says the EU is not the source of all enlightenment and that leaving it will not spell doom!
Some of us have been saying that for ages!
He also says Brexit is what we make of it, together......another thing some of us have been saying for ages.

It does make me laugh a little bit that Theresa May is always criticised for not giving us all a blow by blow account of her every negotiation, surely one doesn’t show ones hand until negotiations are won & secured, or even lost . There seems to be an awful lot of armchair politicians out there.

Johnson said it was unfair that the U.S. government was forcing him to pay capital gains tax on the sale of his Islington home, even though he had not lived in the United States since he was 5 years old.
Who can blame him then!

Will the Brits currently living in other European countries not have this kind of choice?
I would have thought so, and they would not necessarily have to give up British citizenship as some countries allow dual, or even triple, nationality.

durhamjen
an extra 1.5 million people clogging up the border posts unnecessarily every time they travel from one eu country to another
Have I read this right that you believe that there are still border posts across Europe.
All you see now is a sign saying you are now entering xyz.
At some 'crossings' there is a building where you can buy your vignette. Most people don't bother with them as the chance of getting pulled up is ny on zero.
We preferred it when you did have to stop at each country because it felt as if you were going somewhere. Now, it's all one big country.

When my Danish family go on a ferry, they have to go to Holland, through Germany then Denmark.
They might have to stop at all the borders and show their passports, apart from the ones with Danish passports, who will only have to show theirs once.
I am sure that will not bother you, but the same will happen to all those with British passports living in the EU.
An extra 1.5 million people clogging up the border posts unnecessarily every time they travel from one EU country to another.

Boris chose to be British rather than American as he would have had to pay US tax. That was just last year, I believe.

After my middle brother graduated he went to do further degrees in the US. He married an American and stayed there except for a couple of sabbaticals in Australia and Switzerland. His kids are American. After twenty-five years of being defined on his British passport as a "Resident Alien" in the States he decided to apply for American citizenship. This meant giving up his British citizenship. He had a choice. He made it.

Will the Brits currently living in other European countries not have this kind of choice? How did academics like the bloke in the Guardian article manage before there were freedom of movement rules within but restricted to the EU?

I don't think my brother suffered from the lack of so-called freedom of movement between the US, Australia, and Europe.

In short, is there really an unsurmountable problem that visas and similar arrangements wouldn't deal with as they already do between non-EU countries?

Many of them had no idea what they were. They probably still don't.

I noticed Norman Smith lied about what labour voters voted for, pedalling yet again the Brexit broadcasting corporation message.

No, they did not vote to leave the customs union, and the single market.

"Remainers in the Conservative party such as Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Nicky Morgan and Stephen Hammond have teamed up with centrist Labour MPs including Chuka Umunna to table amendments to both the Taxation (Cross-Border Trade) Bill and the Trade Bill that would force Britain to be part of a customs union with the European Union after Brexit. This directly contradicts current Tory policy, which is that there won’t be a customs union of any kind. Today, Mr Corbyn confirmed that Labour now wants a customs union with the European Union.

Mrs May has deployed her classic tactic of putting a hard thing off for as long as possible and hoping it will somehow go away in the meantime by delaying these votes for several weeks. But if this amendment passes, then she will not be able to negotiate free trade deals with non-EU countries as she would like. And that’s why those around her are urging her to take the highest-stakes route possible to stop the amendment from succeeding by making the vote a matter of confidence."

An interesting time ahead.