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Labour advisor : "You're white and your entire existence is drenched in racism.".

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Day6 Tue 27-Feb-18 19:54:26

Of all the people to advise, Labour has recruited the trans model who was sacked from her role with L'Oreal because of her savage racist remarks.

From The Guardian:

Labour finds itself embroiled in another row after appointing an equalities adviser who claimed that white people's 'entire existence is drenched in racism'.

The Transgender model Munroe Bergdorf who wrote these slurs last year has been appointed to advise Labour politicians on LGBT issues.

“Yes ALL white people. Because most of ya’ll don’t even realise or refuse to acknowledge that your existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour. Your entire existence is drenched in racism.”

Bergdorf also tweeted the suffragettes were “white supremacists who were fighting for WHITE women’s rights”, arguing they specifically left black people out of the movement.

Bergdorf had called gay Tory activists a “special kind of dickhead” and suggested white people had been conditioned to be racist.

Helen Grant MP who is the Conservative vice chair for Communities said "When Jeremy Corbyn was elected Labour leader, he promised a ‘kinder politics’. Yet it seems every day we see some new example of abuse from the Labour party. The kind of language Bergdorf has used has no place in public life, and ought to be condemned by all those who are serious about promoting equality.”

It seems Labour can turn a blind eye to 'some' hate speech. This follows the row about anti-semitism within the party. Will suspended Ken Livingstone who brought the party into disrepute will be back in the Labour Party fold before long? Insiders say he is likely to be readmitted.

phoenix Tue 27-Feb-18 21:03:48

Don't forget Cornyn also appointed a VEGAN as his shadow cabinet person for the Department of Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs.

She would really have had the interests of Britain's farmers at heart, and their whole hearted support, wouldn't she!


phoenix Tue 27-Feb-18 21:11:16

Perhaps this is some kind of reverse political positioning, it will be Herod in charge of child welfare, and Hitler responsible for social integration next.

suzied Tue 27-Feb-18 21:20:38

The model referred to above did appear on TV afterwards and explained how her outburst had come about, Her mother is white, half her family are white, she does not hate white people, she was talking about the historic context of racial inequality. I am not defending the above statements, it’s just that like many other things, she is being portrayed as some kind of hate figure. Maybe you should read or hear what she has said about it since.

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 21:29:11

She's one of six people advising Dawn Butler.
Any complaints about the other five?

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 21:30:26

By the way, phoenix, Hitler and Herod are dead.
You do know that the first person to mention Hitler has lost the argument, don't you?

M0nica Tue 27-Feb-18 21:33:47

Personally, the more airheads and extremists Corbyn gathers round him and dolls out positions to the happier I am (cronyism? Corbyn? Pull the the other one). It is just handing opportunity after opportunity to the Conservatives to use against him in the next campaign - and no, I don't want the Conservatives to win the next election either.

Ideally both the current major parties should be consigned to the dustbin and be replaced with two parties, better still, more than 2, that are not the slaves of worn out ideas.

Anniebach Tue 27-Feb-18 21:36:11

So we were wrong to praise the suffragettes, we were praising racists.

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 21:46:47

How many black women owned property in 1918?
That's what she was saying. She was right about that, and has as much right to say it as you have to talk about the patron saint of Wales.

Bridgeit Tue 27-Feb-18 21:50:41

I agree with you Monica, isn’t it always the way that if you fight against injustice or predjudice, the balance flips away from acceptance & into intolerance of having an opinion if it doesn’t suit the latest real or perceived ‘rights’ of any given section of society.

Anniebach Tue 27-Feb-18 22:09:21

And that Dj makes the suffragettes white extremists ?

Day6 Tue 27-Feb-18 22:11:01

DJ _ You do know that the first person to mention Hitler has lost the argument, don't you?

I think you'll find Labour's Ken Livingstone wins.

Day6 Tue 27-Feb-18 22:17:30

DJ you are fast becoming an apologist for the Labour party.
The fact remains that the person who spouted those awful words and condemned all white people, has now been welcomed into the Labour Party.

He/she may have backtracked but she was doing exactly the same as the vile woman Jo Varney who posted racist venom recently.

She was publicly shamed, just like Munroe Bergdorf, who was also sacked from her job.

No condemnation from Labour though.

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 22:19:24

I don't think Ken Livingstone is on this thread, is he?
What name does he write under?

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 22:23:56

Interesting to note that Sylvia Pankhurst could not marry her son's father as he was Italian.

Up until 1933 a woman marrying an alien would have had to take his nationality, so she would have lost her vote.
If she had been Italian, she could have married an English man and gained English nationality, as the woman was always considered to be the same nationality as her husband.

MaizieD Tue 27-Feb-18 22:24:44

It's an interesting thought, particularly as it is quite well documented that, in Jamaica at least, 'free' black people, and coloured, themselves owned slaves. I found that hard to come to terms with.

I don't actually think that I disagree with Bergdorf; I'd just suggest that as poor white people were virtually indistinguishable from slaves in the way they were treated in the (British) Industrial revolution, that that should be acknowledged, too. Racism, yes, but callousness and inhumanity to all 'inferior' people is what drove our Empire and economic success.

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 22:28:49

Emmeline Pankhurst is quoted as saying, "I'd rather be a rebel than a slave."

Anniebach Tue 27-Feb-18 22:34:10

Emneline Pankhurst was a white supremist

phoenix Tue 27-Feb-18 22:43:12

Durhamjen yes, actually I was aware that they were both dead, it was covered in the Daily Mail (tongue in cheek)
and with regard to your comment that the first person to mention Hitler has lost the argument, I wasn't arguing, I made no contradictory comment with regard to the OP, I was pointing out the absurdity of one of Corbyns previous appointments.

That does not constitute an argument, surely?

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 22:49:12

I've boycotted L'Oreal for years since they were bought out by Nestle.

Day6 Tue 27-Feb-18 23:05:21

"if you fight against injustice or predjudice, the balance flips away from acceptance & into intolerance of having an opinion if it doesn’t suit the latest real or perceived ‘rights’ of any given section of society.

Exactly Bridgeit.

Anyone else being so prejudiced/racist/bigoted/hateful would be scorned by Socialists.

There seem to be niches now within the Labour party designed to protect nasty people who'd otherwise be ostracised for their views. Dare I say Labour seem to be able to whitewash almost anything or anyone or any situation if it suits their needs. (Am I allowed to use 'white-wash' as a term in this particular conversation, I wonder? hmm )

Whitewash, meaning : "a planned effort to hide a dishonest, immoral, or illegal act or nasty situation."

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 23:09:46

I think it was roses who always claimed that the first person to mention Hitler had lost the argument, phoenix.
She'd probably agree if she was on here.
Although maybe not as that would mean her having to agree with me!

Jalima1108 Tue 27-Feb-18 23:27:50

How many black women owned property in 1918? Worldwide or in this country?
I presume she means proportionately?

How many white women owned property in 1918?
Come to that, how many people owned their own property in 1918?

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 23:46:30

In 1918 the vote in the UK was given to all women over 30 who owned their own homes or were married to someone who owned his own home, as well as men over 21.

Obviously, talking about suffragettes, I meant in this country.

Another interesting fact; in 1968 Emmeline Pankhurst was the first non-royal woman to be commemorated on a stamp.
Five years ago there had to be an online petition to ensure that there would still be a woman on a banknote.
Haven't we come a long way?

durhamjen Wed 28-Feb-18 00:00:42