Would Labour turn this country into a communist state?

I will not retaliate in personal attacks MaizieD as that just furthers unpleasantness and ends with GNHQ stepping in with reminders to keeps things civil.
No need for anyone to worry about remarks about Corbyn or Mc Donnell or Lansman, they are big enough to take care of themselves.

Here is a list of what characterises a right wing fascist state.

Authoritarian and usually run by a dictator
Imposition of social control with little input from the population
Ersatz democracy
The means of production is entirely appropriated by the big corporations or sold to foreigners
Press controlled by billionaires to their own agenda
Freedom of speech is often controlled
Land appropriated by a few individuals, or greedy landlords
Corruption by those in power
No equality in wealth

In fact, there isn't much difference between the two. And helluva difference from Corbyn's democratic socialism.

There really is some absolute rubbish as well as the more thoughtful information on this thread. However, I do applaud Maizie for thinking it was right to raise the fact the those seeking to spread unsubstantiated propaganda do infiltrate forums with their lies.

Are we going to have a revolution that destroys our democracy and turns us into a Russia, China or North Korea? Well it is about as possible as being taken over by a right wing dictatorship isn't it. Actually, no, the right wing have gone quite a long way down the road to impoverishing large tranches of the population and making areas of the country feel disenfranchise- As poverty is a requirement to ferment either sort of uprising perhaps they are doing this in readiness for a right-wing dictator to take over.

Maybe we should be at least as afraid of Jacob Rees-Mogg and his Catholicism, an ideology which has done great damage to democracy and the country in the past, as Lemongrove seems to be of John McDonnell's faith in the Marxist principles. Goodness me but those men are powerful. I think we should start stockpiling and arming ourselves immediately

How far the right has taken us is the example of John Major and his speech last week.

He seemed a paragon of moderation, common sense and integrity.

Now take yourself back to the 1990s and (those who supported Labour) how reactionary and right wing he seemed!!

That is how far we’ve come along the illiberal right wing road. It is easy to forget.

What a ridiculous post GGM2
Who has infiltrated this forum? The fact is that nobody at all has suggested we may have a Communist State coming our way.

YOU HAVE, lemon.
You don't even realise it.
What did your reds under the beds comment mean, if it didn't mean a communist state coming this way?

I want to live in a fair society. I want good schools for every child not just those who's parents can afford to pay or live in the right catchment area, free university education with grants so young people don't come out owing £thousands, high levels of social care for the vulnerable, good quality housing that people can afford to buy/rent, a well funded NHS, renationalisation of utilities and transport (no one should profit from providing the necessities of life), properly funded support for small businesses, government funded construction projects (big and small) to create jobs and increase the living standards and spending power of the people in general, a fair tax system (close the private and corporate tax avoidance loopholes), the right to practise faith/non faith freely without fear of intimidation and a society that respects and cares for all members not just a few. If that makes me a socialist, a Marxist,a Corbynista, looney left or anything other insult that you care to throw I don't care. We are a rich country. All the things I want are possible. We can afford them. We can have a society that puts people first.

You do keep on dj but since you ask, it meant Communist leanings in the Shadow Cabinet, which if they were in power may well influence thir policies.

lemon it must be difficult to see out of your hole by now. Still if you do insist on continual digging!!

Why is any criticism of Corbyn an attack which warrants an attack on a poster yet criticisms of Tory MP's is daily fodder on here

Is this not a thread about a thread ?

vq
Apart from the nationalsation bits I want those things too,
but free university expenses can never happen without plunging the country ito massive debt.As far as I am aware we already have the right to have faith or no faith without intimidation ( there are laws to protect us). There are also many,many good schools.
There are also many government funded construction projects and help for small businesses in place.

Therefore, lemon, you were talking about a communist takeover of the government.
I suppose it was all of nine days ago, on the first page of your Corbyn/Momentum thread, so difficult for you to remember saying it.
So perhaps you can explain how you think there could be a communist takeover of the government.
You do keep going on about Lansman leading Corbyn and telling Corbyn what to say and do.
I'd also like to know how you know that.

I wouldn’t have said so annie

The op asked a question about what people think communism actually means and we are answering.

No problem with that.

If it is a thread about a thread, or against HQ rules, then they will pull it and tell us why.
But lemon can't say she never said anything about communists taking over when she said it on the first page of a thread she started particularly about such a thing.

lemon if you want those too, you would never consider voting Tory, but you continue to defend their policies, so are you a bit muddled?

Yes Annie precisely!
Some people are very fragile about their own politics it seems,, and cannot take a bit of criticism where it is concerned.
Do I care which politicains others complain and criticise?
Not a bit.

Good post, Vampirequeen. That's socialism, not communism, including the bit about renationalisation.

I think if you look at the vast majority of post they are criticising Tory POLICY

The vast majority of Corbyn et al criticism is of the man and not labour policy.

Criticising the man not the policy is shallow and indicates a lack of political intelligence

Where am I defending any policies by any Party at all ww?
I am pointing out what we already have.
Nowhere have I, or anybody else said, that there will be a Communist State.We have been a democracy for a very long time and I imagine always will be.
Some posters are in denial about Corbyn and McDonnell and their Marxist/Communist leanings.
This does not mean we will become a Communist State.

Apart from the nationalsation bits I want those things too,

The issues and challenges come why people start to realise that they want those things but are not at all sure they want everyone else to have those things particularly if, from time to time during their lives they may be paying so others can have them . Then they vote Tory.

Anyone else got a sore head from all this head against brick wall phenomena?

Oh ww the shallow posts critising Tory MP’s for their looks and how they behave etc!! On the many threads we have had on GN.
And why not, I say, but please!do not try and take the moral high ground on that.

Yes, ww I have got a sore head ?lunchtime methinks.

I don’t take the moral ground. But I do when compared to the criticism of labour.

You could count on one hand if you are lucky the amount of posts actually criticising labour policy - they are really difficult to find.