The Labour Party

durhamjen you rarely set out your own thoughts and opinions but quote others.
Perhaps the BBC and many on this thread are the correct ones, just a thought.

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2018/03/17/the-bbcs-disgraceful-attempt-at-mccarthyist-shaping-public-of-perceptions-and-flouting-impartiality-rule/

For a bit of balance, although those who ought to read it will not.
As bad as the BBC, this thread.

"As Walter Lipman once noted, the news media are a primary source of those “pictures in our heads” about the larger world of public affairs, a world that for most citizens is “out of reach, out of sight, out of mind.” What people know about the world is largely based on what the media decide to show them. More specifically, the result of this mediated view of the world is that the priorities of the media strongly influence the priorities of the public. Elements prominent on the media agenda become prominent in the public mind.

Given the reduction in sophistication and rationality in government rhetoric, media news and current affairs presentation, (and democracy, for that matter) we don’t currently have a climate that particularly encourages citizens to think critically and for themselves."

Thank you niggly x

Suppose if Corbyn becomes PM poor queenie will have to share a carriage ride with Putin down the Mall ?

GG

Sorry I am catching up missed a whole page.

Your post Friday 13.33.

GG

Who said that, a poster or another?

You forgot Crimea and Eastern Ukraine annie!!! I know you won't mind my two additions

Difficult to support a far left party leader who defends a Russian who was a KBG agent, is an arms dealer , who likes to have planes shot down, is a multi billionaire, best to forget Syria ?

Off on a tangent again Annie but no reply to my post about intelligence and knowledge or about why you would want another adult to be "told".

So those at Oxford are tories ?

The Cambridge Five were far left

Again - these words and their meanings. Annie was talking about 'intelligence' a reasonably measurable commodity. Can you measure 'smart' Primrose or even define it.

The attack on democracy is nothing to do with Corbyn's level of intelligence, smarts or knowledge. That is just a "whatabout" discussion to lead us away from the actual one. Interesting but nothing really to do with the undermining of democracy other than the way in which the attacks made include the perfectly reasonable questions Corbyn asked in parliament in order to hold government to account - that is the Labour Parties job. It is also the job, to a lesser extent, of all the opposition parties in our parliamentary system including the "New Labour" Party which seems to be forming itself on the back benches.

Saying that Corbyn is not the smartest pencil is hardly enabling a Russian attack on our democracy.

I'd be more concerned with MPs like Chris Williamson posting links to conspiracy theorists on twitter saying 'wow, if this is true then .....'

It's not true Chris. It's just irresponsible.

I think it’s pretty irrelevant as a measure of his intelligence.

I would agree that, at this stage of life, these things are a pretty irrelevant whoever you are. It is typical of the petty and poking posts we see however.

Mary Beard was talking the other day and said that all the students who come to her are intelligent, they are just not knowledgeable. Just as, if she went to learn something new, she would start out as less knowledgeable.

Yes, the Oxford set were/are reasonably intelligent nightowl, and I am sure Corbyn was too (depending what you mean by 'intelligent' I suppose) but by comparison the 'knowledge' of the Oxford set - and many other Tories - of the people in this country and their lives - seems to me to be just a chasm of emptiness.

We have had pretty bad and pretty good PM's

I do not like that photograph of Comrad Corbyn in his Lenin hat, I think of the lovely Tom Courtney in his when young

Strong defence of Putin by the far left ,

There could be many reasons why Jeremy Corbyn achieved only 2 A levels at grade E but to be honest after so many years I think it’s pretty irrelevant as a measure of his intelligence. David Cameron, Tony Blair, Boris Johnson all went to Oxford which I guess makes them pretty intelligent. One of them was a weasel who broke his word over Brexit, one was a war criminal, and the other doesn’t impress me with his intellect or political diplomacy. I prefer to judge politicians on their record rather than on their educational attainment. It’s still too soon to say whether Jeremy Corbyn would make a good Prime Minister. But we’ve had some pretty bad ones in recent years.

TheRussians will be cheering because Corbyn and far left friends are standing up for them by their statements.

I can understand why you would spout such Daily Mail style comments lemonsgrove as you do love to attack Corbyn and the left - whether you've have got facts or not. Could you quote one "statement" that stands this nonsense up?

Primrose Yes, that’s hardly the pic he would want circulated at the moment is it....banners with hammer and sickles.Still, it’s a true pic at least.

TheRussians will be cheering because Corbyn and far left friends are standing up for them by their statements.
It would be boorish to question a poster on his /her academic prowess, but we are all entitled to say what we think of the intelligence(or lack of) and educational standards reached by a politician, particularly one who is setting his Lenin cap at PMship!
His results were astoundingly poor, by anyone’s reckoning.

Annie, why would you want another adult to be 'told'?

Surely we are here to share facts, information, views and opinions?

Not so GG, impossible to tell you anything ?

That doesn't make any sense Primrose. In fact nothing that you or Annie has said tells us anything more than that you want to have another go at Corbyn - which is fine it that's what you want to spend your time doing but it doesn't make it any more true.

How the Russians will be cheering. They want to undermine our system of government and here you are enabling this process.

I don't think that's what anyone said at all! It does correlate really if you had a private primary education, went to a grammar school that's regularly in the top 20 state schools and you had the opportunity to sit A levels. That's why it's being used as a proxy for being smart. In those circumstances and context.
Of course, he may have just been absolutely lazy with well-off parents as a safety net.
If he comes canvassing, I'll ask him which scenario it is. (And I will!)

Your intelligence does not correlate with your 'A' level passes Annie. If it did we would be saying that everyone who did not have access to such education and exams, and therefore didn't have any 'A' levels, all lacked intelligence.

I imagine you would be saying many on here lacked intelligence if you applied your rule, as many of the Gransnet generation will not have had the opportunity to take them and will therefor not have them.

mostlyharmless

It could have been worse. They could have used a real picture of him.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-mps-who-back-theresa-may-over-russia-are-political-enemies-who-should-face-deselection-says-chris-williamson_uk_5aab93d1e4b0c33361af7ca3?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics

I'd rather have Chris Williamson in my party than Gavin Williamson.
You do know that Gavin Williamson wants to stand for leader of the Tory party, don't you?

59% of people who have voted on the Huffpost article about whether they agree with Corbyn that we should hold back on accusing Putin agree with Corbyn.