The Labour Party

I thought Christianity meant following the teachings of Christ? Wasn't loving others one of them?

she could have done far more.

First, could she? What were you thinking of? Secondly, should she?

As ever maryeliza, you attack my faith regardless of the fact it has nothing to do with this topic . Should I not condemn Hitler, Pinochet, Thatcher, the IRA, Boris Johnson, the rapists in Telford , Racists, our refuge collectors for not returning empty bins to the house because I am a Christian ?

Oh ab as ever, your particular brand of Christianity shines through

Not everybody wants to rush towards a war of any sort.

Nobody wants to rush towards a war.
I hardly think resigning membership of the LP is a proxy for declaring war on Russia. I don't think that May is punishing Russia significantly at all - she could have done far more.

Oh, just checked, the MP for Salisbury is Tory with a 17,000 majority , perhaps this explains Corbyn's lack of feeling pain for the people there

Corbyn and balance just do not fit well . I am surprised he wasn't in Salisbury hugging the towns people and telling them - I feel your pain.

maryeliza

You make my point for me in your last post.

As I said " Over the years I have received posts of a personal nature in the ilk of yours when I mention them so I am used to it."

The difference is I respect you have a right to post using the words and opinions/view you hold so I am happy to accept that is your opinion.

And I am sure some will have joined Petra. Not everybody wants to rush towards a war of any sort. This is exactly what Putin would have asked for before his election. Well done all those wanting to punish Russia. We are on the edge of a new cold war and we need a balanced attitude to what we do. Corbyn added to that balance and took some of the pressure off May which she needs as there is very little she can do if she doesn't want a things to go too far.

petra
I'm sure he's not alone today.

aLabour

Paddyann, you seem confused, I am Labour, Corbyn is not

When did you get the power to decide that someone who is a democratically elected leader of the LP and has been (I looked it up) an LP member since 1983 is not a Labour. Who do you think that it is up to you to decide this? I am sorry to break the news to you Annie but you do not "own" the Labour Party; all the members do. It seems to be at least as democratic as other parties and they seem to want as "Labour" what Corbyn is offering. It is you who seem to be out of step currently. Oh how lovely it must have been for you in the Blair years when your red Tory views were accepted by the party you had chosen to join.

So GG you class the attack in Salisbury as fiction

How on earth have you read that in to what I have said? Why would you say that? It is totally weird.

I never thought the day would come when my OH resigned as a member of the Labour Party. He has been a member since he was an apprentice in the printing trade.
But this morning he sent them a scathing email detailing why.

Your post was in poor taste re SH POGS and your defence of it demonstrates beautifully why it is near on impossible to have a sensible political discussion on GN

So GG you class the attack in Salisbury as fiction,

Paddyann, you seem confused, I am Labour, Corbyn is not, naturally I will criticise him, he is destroying the Labour Party.

That is your view Annie. Apparently many, including DA are trying not to play it up - for good reason - and many from all sides were/are calling it an "incident", although some are calling it an "attack". So what? Are you going to list for us all those using "incident" and all using "attack". What will you do if May - much praised by you - uses the word or are you limiting this to an attack on DA? This is such a pathetic argument about what? A world you don't like that someone else used.

maryeliza
"PIGs ffs - another disgraceful post - cheap cheap cheap."

Eloethan

"Conservative ministers, MPs and party members have obviously been advised to counter every criticism of the current chaotic state of the NHS with a comment about the Mid Staffs scandal. As the Mirror reported last year:
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Maryeliza I will take heed of your words to AB :- " so you won’t assist in the diversion you created - your use of SH’s death to have yet another tedious repetitive go at JC was pretty low imo - retreating from the discussion doesn’t make it acceptable".

So I will not retreat from the discussion as I have said nothing that is not 'acceptable'.

" I am not a conservative MP nor a Conservative Party Member , I am not a Daily Mail journalist which is another accusation made occasionally by a small group of posters.

Over the years on Gransnet I have often spoken about North Staffs, the Francis Report and sadly the personal reason why I have felt so strongly about the subject . As a poster said yesterday " Because the day someone dies is the day you remember what their life meant to you " that applies to us all and I make no apogy for remembering . Over the years I have received posts of a personal nature in the ilk of yours when I mention them so I am used to it.

If you feel my post was in poor taste , so be it. I genuinely did mean what I posted : "To be honest I just wish Hawking and Corbyn had spoken up at the time of the Mid Staffs and subsequent Fracis Report period.!". Perhaps then people would have listened and accepted what happened and not try to defend it any time they are mentioned.

What happened in Salisbury was an attack not an incident

Russia is just a diversion to keep our minds occupied away from the mess that is Brexit and the tories disastrous ruining of the UK

I wouldn't go so far as to suggest May created it, but just as Thatcher found her "war" very useful it is not unknown for politicians to use them to take the pressure off at home. Often, in the case of the Tories, the pressure from their own party.

What baffles me is Corbyn is respected by his admirers for being a man with principles.

It only baffles you because you do not seem to be able to entertain the thought that you might ever be wrong.

Whatever anybody says, Corbyn did use Hawking’s name to further his attack on the government about the NHS.

Basically Lemongrove, you are saying that if anyone holds a view that doesn't agree with yours they are wrong and your view is right. I respect that you have an opinion. It would be nice if you respected that others do not share it but have their own.

You seem to be dashing away from the replies to your comments on one thread Annie and putting exactly the same on another so, in reply to your comment "So what happened in Salisbury is just an incident?", I have copied my reply from the other thread. You are throwing up straw men as usual.

Annie; not sure why you refer to DA calling it that. Everyone was calling it exactly that yesterday. Journalists and people from all parties were calling it that. My daughter and I were trying to decide last night whether "The Incident in Salisbury" was more Paul Temple or Miss Marple. As DD didn't know anything about Paul Temple it was a short discussion.

I wish that were true Primrose but what are the odds that all it will become is a JC/LP negative bashing thread with cries of champagne socialist and virtue signalling with no respect for or reference to the philosophical underpinnings of different political parties? I think I’m much more likely to have that type of discussion on MN

Another farcical post from you paddyann

Start a thread ME. I'm sure others would be interested in a policy discussion too.