The Labour Party

Oh well, if Grandad says it then it must be true mostly

The elephant in the room during this Labour Party witchhunt, as Grandad says, is that the Conservatives have a long history of racism.
There are numerous examples of Boris Johnson et al being racist (including anti-Semitic). See the link below:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-times-tory-party-racism-7904018.amp

You really think I did what? primrose

IRA facts, Corbyn said he attended memorial services for members of the IRA. Fact. Corbyn invited IRA leaders to Westminster just weeks after the Brighton bombing. Either wasn't sensitive to people's grief or didn't care. Or could it be he didn't know the bombing had taken place.

It comparing this man with Mo can be used to defend him then so can - he didn't know

That is your opinion. Which rickety Road is that?

As Jon Lansman is a Orthodox Jew is that not a clear example of anti-semitism????

I really think you did mostlyharmless
If you've done that in error, you really should apologise. As you've already tried to excuse behaviour using the anti-semitism/anti-Zionism rhetoric, think it's 'obvious' there's going to be anti-Jewish comments in such a FB group, I'm surprised that you have the confidence to discuss a form of racism you clearly know nothing about.
No wonder the far left have problems discussing anti-semitism!

And Lansman is an atheist. He was brought up as an Orthodox Jew, but he's an atheist.

mostlyharmless...... you are simply ‘having a go’ for no other reason than you have decided to have a go.
You have no understanding of anti semitism at all. Lansman is considered dangerous ( by some, me included) because he is a Marxist/Communist and is leading the Labour Party down a rickety road to ruin.It doesn’t matter in the least if he is Jewish or anything else.Now do you understand?
#wontholdmybreath!

primrose I did not call anyone anti-Semitic.
I asked whether or not lemongrove’s statement was anti Semitic as it seemed to be an unjustified attack on a Jew. She doesn’t seem to want to explain her statement that Lansman is more dangerous than Corbyn stated out of the blue without explanation.

mostlyharmless It's a good idea to understand what anti-semitism is, before you start calling posters anti-semitic.

That's a remarkable combination of ignorance and arrogance.

maryeliza yes, fair point about the dodgy photo. I didn't realise it was a spoof/had been discredited. I've asked for the post to be deleted.

You assert lemongrove that “as everybody here is aware, the fact that he is leading a cult designed to get Corbyn into power and himself into a position of power in the LP.”

No that is not true. You are not talking about everyone on this Labour thread you are only talking about a small group of gransnetters. I definitely don’t think that.

On a thread which has become one long complaint about anti-semitism in the Labour Party, aren’t you treading on dangerous ground making such allegations about a Jew without justifying yourself fully?

What is your reasoning apart from “as everyone is aware”?

It was actually the OP GGM2 that introduced the anti semitism within Labour scenario.

bmacca says ‘IRA slurs’....but actually they are IRA facts, Corbyn had them to tea in Westminster after shocking bombings for a start.Dianne Abbott now tries to distance herself from her views and words at that time, by saying ‘I had a different hairstyle then’ ( to show she has changed) she and Corbyn and McDonnell are a disgrace.
To think that these dangerous plonkers could ever be running the country!

Hardly interesting at all......because it is not Lansman being Jewish that is the problem, but, as everybody here is aware, the fact that he is leading a cult designed to get Corbyn into power and himself in a position of power within the LP.

Interesting way of looking at it, mostlyharmless.
I've never thought of it that way.

I’m not even sure if this thread has become a spoof thread! It was supposed to be about the Labour Party but has been hijacked by right wing posters saying vague, nebulous things about Corbyn being anti-Semitic.

But there’s also a theme among these same posters of being anti Jon Lansman.

In fact on Wednesday 21st February lemongrove introduced a new thread entitled Corbyn and Momentum. Her starting OP stated “Jon Lansman is more dangerous than Corbyn” without any evidence or apparent justification.

She condemned Lansman without any context.

Strange that! As Jon Lansman is a Orthodox Jew is that not a clear example of anti-semitism????

I liked Nick Robinson asking people which immigrants they did not want to let into the country, and they wanted them all to come in because they all did jobs that were needed.

There was also the lad criticising immigrants because they all come over here and take our jobs and don't do any work!

"He said: "We cannot be held back inside or outside the EU from taking the steps we need to develop and invest in cutting edge industries and local business stop the tide of privatisation and outsourcing, or from preventing employers being able to import cheap agency labour to undercut existing pay and conditions in the name of free market orthodoxy." "

That's not anti-immigrant. It's anti employers bringing in cheap labour to undercut the minimum wage and make working conditions worse.
I am all for that.

Primrose surely you are intelligent and well informed enough to criticise Corbyn without posting that photograph and the accompanying lies? Can you ask for it to be deleted?

Corbyns use of Farage-style language is being condemned in Scotland at least. Seems that Labour south of the border is extremely relaxed with anti-immigrant sentiment. I would have thought it would be challenged, but then I learn something new about Corbs and his supporters every day.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/93495/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-will-stop-cheap

Mo Molam became Secretary of State N.Ireland in 1997. Bobby Sands died in 1981 . Trying to compare Mo with Corbyn is showing desperation . Mo was adored in the party and worked hard to bring about peace in N.Ireland , she did not attend funerals of IRA members , she had talks with all sides. Corbyn supported the IRA . Mo did not invite IRA leaders to Westminster for unofficial chat and a cuppa a few weeks after the U.k government was blown up.

Comparing Mo with Corbyn is rather like comparing silk to serge , no comparison is there .

Thatcher and Major did not attend memorial services for members of the IRA

I have no issue with criticism of Israel.
It's derogatory remarks about Jews I don't find so attractive.

I have no issue with people trying to negotiate peace during times of conflict, openly or diplomatically behind closed doors.
It's people who say that 'the IRA clearly committed acts of terrorism' and they are 'happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland' that I don't find so attractive.

None of this has anything to do with his 'personal' life. This is his political life we're discussing. Not jam and marrows.

GracesGran, durhamjen, I'm not sure why I even bothered responding to the IRA slurs because it is all so predictable and boring and repetitive. If a right winger can't argue or debate about policy, then their fallback is always the IRA, critism of Israel etc. Or in some people's life's, an unhealthy obsession with JC's personal life

You do realise, don't you, that the IRA had to agree to the peace which we have had more or less for the last 20 years?
How about smearing some other LP members who met the IRA, like Mo Mowlem?
Or Thatcher's and Major's mates who said they were not negotiating when they obviously were?
No, just Corbyn you don't like, isn't it?

Bmacca, when you see the twisting that is done and the lies that are told it makes me feel poor old JC must worry all these poor people dreadfully. The trouble is, as they say, the lie is halfway round the world, and these days being often repeated on social media, before truth has got his boots on. This is what those who try to smear rely on.

Anniebach, you posted the same photo as Primrose (your post contains a number of photos including the one with the arrow) and you said this:
"Good grief, Corbyn attended the funeral of Bobby Sands, he walked past a guard of honour , IRA members with rifles raised in a salute . If he didn't know"