Corbyn's Magnetism

Yes, that is telling Primrose.

Diane Abbot appears to be a huge liability to the LP given recent embarrassing interviews, yet the competent Smith is pushed out. He stood against Corbyn. Could this be his punishment. Surely not.....

I agree Day6. The Owen Smith sacking illustrates it perfectly. He wrote an article in the Guardian supporting a 2nd referendum.

So did Diane Abbott a couple of months ago, after she had written to constituents saying she would support one.

Yet one gets the sack.

Further to the above and the resignations of most of the Labour Party senior officials prior to the arrival of Corbynista Jennie Formby, I am getting more and more concerned that those Labour bods who are not fans of Momentum are remaining silent.

The hard left have a stranglehold on the party now. Are we to assume that all is happy within the party or that silence reigns because Momentum supporters will swoop to oust any dissenters - who are likely to be centre left moderates?

Doesn't sound very democratic.

Thanks Day6 An interesting read

Yes, just reading about this now. It seems a bit of a crazy reason to sack him and why today?
I think he's just trying to provide a bit of a distraction as his Facebook posts are hitting the press this evening. Create a bigger story.
I wonder who'll be next.

Interesting article in the New Statesman. It's difficult to tell if it intended to be a scare story, a warning or a celebration of what hard left Momentum has achieved.

"The Labour hard left is more powerful than ever after the election of Jennie Formby as general secretary"

The Corbynite left now controls the leadership, the National Executive Committee and the party HQ

BY
George Eaton

"When Jeremy Corbyn became Labour leader in 2015 he was in office but not fully in power. He was elected with the support of just 14 MPs, most of who longed for his removal. Shadow cabinet ministers unashamedly plotted against him. And the party machine was still dominated by officials from the New Labour era."

"But since then, Corbyn’s position has been immeasurably strengthened. His 2016 re-election and his general election advance meant even opponents accepted he would remain leader for as long as he wishes."

"The left’s hegemony now extends far beyond Norman Shaw South. After the election of nine Momentum-backed candidates to Labour’s National Executive Committee, it enjoys a majority on the party’s ruling body. And with the NEC’s election today of Jennie Formby as Labour’s new general secretary (the Unite official defeated her opponent, former NUT general secretary Christine Blower, by 35 votes to two), the left now has control of the party’s headquarters in Southside, Westminster (previously nicknamed “the darkside” by Corbyn allies)."

Labour HQ has long been accused of failing to support or even actively undermining the leadership. But it is Formby, a long-standing Corbyn ally, who will now be ultimately responsible for hiring and firing staff.

Her predecessor Iain McNicol became a target of activist ire after successfully barring members of less than six months from voting in the 2016 leadership contest (McNicol also unsuccessfully argued that Corbyn required MP nominations to make the ballot paper).

In advance of Formby’s arrival, most of the party’s senior officials resigned including executive director Emilie Oldknow, director of governance and legal John Stolliday, director of policy and research Simon Jackson, London regional director Neil Fleming and Parliamentary Labour Party secretary Dan Simpson."

The left now controls the leadership, the Scottish leadership (Richard Leonard) the NEC and Labour HQ. But there are still limits to its dominance."

The majority of MPs and council leaders remain resolutely non-Corbynite.

"A defining test of the left’s strength will be how quickly this changes. Under existing party rules, MPs can be deselected as parliamentary candidates - but with no small difficulty. The ongoing Democracy Review, however, led by Corbyn ally and former MP Katy Clark could toughen reselection procedures. Some on the left also hope to create a new post of female deputy leader to further marginalise the old right Tom Watson (a contest between shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry and shadow education secretary Angela Rayner is envisaged)."

"But having won Labour HQ, the left can marvel at its forward march. Until Corbyn’s 2015 election, it had never previously held the party leadership. Yet the Labour left, in defiance of its many doubters, is now stronger than at any time in the party’s 118-year history. "

On the question of brexit, the most important issue for fifty years, Cobyn is far too similar to Theresa May. Both were
nominal Remainers who kept their heads down during the EU referendum and since then both seem to support a disastrous hard brexit.

Corbyn has just sacked Owen Smith for daring to support a referendum on the deal.

The Liberal Democrats, Greens and Scottish Nationalists are providing the opposition that we have right to expect from the Labour party.

It certaintly is Jalima

It is also saying that the Americans, the British who went into the camps and rescued these people are liars.
It is saying that the journalists, the photographers are liars.
It is saying that prison camp guards who told their stories that they were told to do the job or die themselves are liars.

Denying the Holocaust has nothing to do with Palestine and Israel, it is saying the survivors , some still alive lied, what other reason is there for this than hatred of Jews.

Of course, there's a big difference. No one is disputing that. That's why holocaust denial is nothing to do with Israeli politics.

It's also why Corbyn supporting an anti-semitic graffiti mural in East London is just not acceptable. He's admitted it was him and his office has issued a statement, in response to a complaint by Luciana Berger. He's not fit to lead a political party.

Primrose What you said was "the LP seems to be full of racists". I don't know if you would accept that remark without comment if it were made about any other political party, particularly a party that you have voted for in the past and are likely to vote for in the future, or are a member of.

There are some people in the Labour Party who are racist, just as there are some such people in every other party and in the nation as a whole.

I think there is a big difference between:

expressing opposition to Israel's policies in relation to the Palestinians; and

using words like "jungle bunnies", "piccaninny", "kike", or "bloody Jew" which are obviously intended to demean and dehumanise individuals belonging to particular ethnic or cultural groups.

Nobody has said that every member of the LP is anti-Semitic, have they?That would be ridiculous.
Further what ends?
Don’t comment on the thread if you don’t want to.
The LP isn’t perfect you know, no political party is, but at the moment, the LP does seem to have a problem.

The LP is its members. I am a member, ergo I am racist as is annie and any other LP member.

Your argument is spurious.

I have no wish to associate myself with this argument any longer, I cannot further your ends.

trisher - how about not selecting people who are known to spread this sort of rubbish in the first place - that would be a good start. Removing him before you're threatened with the press is a sensible idea too. An ungenerous person might interpret the selection of a known anti-semite as condoning that behaviour.

If this behaviour happened for any other minority group in the LP, I would post it and condemn it in exactly the same way. I would just ask posters to consider if they would respond in the same way and with the same vigour.

Anyone who denies the holocaust should be thrown out of the LP.

Me and mine whitewave Huh? Nobody has accused either you or your family ( please don’t say the LP are your ‘family’)
You being ‘furious’ doesn’t change anything or make members with in the LP any less anti-Semitic.
The Labour Party have to sort themselves out on this but with the weak and hopeless Corbyn at the helm it will never happen.

If you think that I am going to give you the opportunity to rehash all your posts you have another think coming. I will not play such disgusting games.

Of course I’m angry you’ve accused me and mine of racism and anti-semtism. In fact I am furious.

Primrose65
He's been suspended Primrose65 what more would you want to be done?
*Not get a lecture on Palestine and the 'confusion' around anti-semitism would be a good start. My post was not a broad condemnation, it was specific. Now that you're aware, you're choosing not to engage but to change the topic.
Looks very much like you don't understand trisher. That offensive image has absolutely nothing to do with Palestine*

I am now quite ware of what you DON'T want ME to do . Still no answer as to what the Labour Party should do.

trisher Yes, you did mention him. One sentence. I didn't ignore that at all. I posted a reply to it.
What 'The Labour Party is anti-semitic rants' have I posted?

ww I don't think it's one or two instances over a number of years at all. Why don't you let me know which ones you're thinking of, and I'll make sure I don't 'rehash' those. What have I manipulated?

Keep attacking me. I don't mind at all.
There's so much anger aimed at me because of a post of one sentence, just stating what had happened.

It doesn’t stop at that though does it? Look back the threads relating to Corbyn and note your constant posting of anti-semitism in the LP. largely relating to one or two instances over a number of years. There are plenty of other instances of such dreadful behaviour, but you don’t post those do you? It is disgusting and if I were Jewish I would be shocked at the way you are manipulating what is scapegoating in all its forms to try to get at the LP.

The LP is neither racsost nor anti-Semitic- try talking policy and stop emulating the trashy MSM

Primrose65 I mentioned him. I said he has been suspended what else would you want to see done? Of course you ignored that because there isn't anything else and it didn't fit in with your The Labour party is anti-semetic rants. You might try answering.

You are treading a fine line primrose and getting very near exploiting this for your own nefarious ends.

What nefarious ends? Thinking it's bad to select a person who's known to be a holocaust denier as a LP candidate? How exactly is that wicked or criminal?

Scoring political points against whom trisher?

My original post was
"Labour has suspended a prospective local councillor candidate Alan Bull too, who was selected despite the local party being aware he was spreading holocaust denial stuff on social media."

because that happened the same day. It was topical Labour news on a thread about the Labour Party, as was the Ken article.

I'm told I'm "flogging the anti-semitism theme"
I'm told it's " a rehash of what we have seen before - again? This is sinking to the level of the pro-Zionist newspapers.
I'm confusing anti-semitism with Pro-Palestine messages.

The posts of 'racism in the Tories' is trying to score political points.

Every single reply has not mentioned the councillor or his racism, so yes, it is ignored. Bring up anti-semitism and the response is whataboutery, personal attacks and I'm told 'I don't understand'.

You are treading a fine line primrose and getting very near exploiting this for your own nefarious ends.

No one is or ever has looked the other way. Those rare people in the LP will be dealt with as appropriately.

The LP is proud of its liberal, open and welcoming history.

If you wish to talk about the odd individual who has used inappropriate language then do so, but to then try to suggest this represents the LP views is Daily Mail write large.
Nobody takes them seriously given their historical record.