Corbyn's Magnetism

No one is ignoring anti-semitism and no one is looking the other way. What is totally disgusting is that any poster should use the holocaust and the terrible treatment of Jewish people throughout the centuries as a means of scoring political points, and make allegations of anti-semitism in a political party because they don't like its policies.

It's interesting to see how many posters ignore anti-semitism when it's a LP member. Round of applause for everyone looking the other way.

There is a difference Primrose65 between setting up a political organisation openly dedicated to supporting a certain political party, with members running the organisation and surreptiously using an organisation to influence public thinking without openly declaring what you are doing and why you are doing it. The firs tis democratic, the second is a threat to democracy.

Wasn't Primrose's post a rehash of what we have seen before - again? This is sinking to the level of the pro-Zionist news papers.

Tory racism. At Yarl's Wood.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/yarls-wood-immigration-removal-detention-asylum-inhumane-opelo-kgari-a8238276.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/yarl-s-wood-home-office-claims-women-on-hunger-strike-for-dietary-and-religious-reasons-a8234751.html

Well said eloethan - using the racist card to bash a political party that has publically stated its abhorrence of all forms of
Scapegoating says more about the person than the political party they are trying to falsely bring into disrepute, or perhaps this is more likely to be the case before any elections?
My grandparents were active members of the Labour Party as were my parents although not so active. I am a member and over 3 generations I have never heard the type of hatred that some on this thread are trying to claim is endemic in the LP.
What I do remember however, is their abhorrence of the way “others” were treated when coming to work (usually invited) to this country., or the hatred shown to that most miserable group of people - the refugee. I remember what my grandparents said about the treatment of Jews pre and post war by the government. I can remember what my parents said about the “rivers of blood” speech and the way the Windrush generation were treated.
I can remember the marches I took part in over Nelson Mandela and the evil spewing out of the Tory parties mouth.
I watch as refugees detained in “prisons” in Kent are left without care, medical attention or hope by this most evil of governments.

Never tell me that the LP members are racist or anti-Semitic - you don’t know what you are talking about.

I'm not defending the actions of the Israeli government and yes, I have Jewish friends who oppose those actions. I'm concerned about racism in all its forms, as set out so well above by Eloethan.

Primrose You say: "I'm still 'flogging the anti-semitism theme' because the LP seems to be full of racists."

That's a sweeping and provocative statement.

The Labour Party has done more to tackle racism than any other party and, whilst there are racists within it (as there are in society as a whole), I think the Conservative Party is in no position to sit in judgment, given its own historical ("If you want a nigger for a neighbour, Vote Labour") and more recent record:

(2011 The Telegraph)
Oxford Tories' nights of port and Nazi songs
"Three terms of debauchery, anti-Semitism and nepotism at Oxford University’s Conservative club have been revealed after disillusioned officers leaked more than 25 documents to The Oxford Student.

"Most embarrassing for OUCA is video evidence of one member beginning an anti-Semitic chant. The video, filmed towards the end of Michaelmas, shows a member drunkenly singing: “Dashing through the Reich”, at the camera, before being silenced by another member. The song’s full version includes he words: “Dashing through the Reich / in a black Mercedes Benz / killing lots of kike / ra ta ta ta ta ”.

In 2002 Boris Johnson described black people as "piccanninies".

In February 2009 Bolton Conservative councillor Bob Allen posted a picture of a gorilla alongside his critical comment about an Asian Labour councillor

In 2009 Conservative MP David Wilshire compared the treatment of MPs regarding the expenses scandal as akin to the way Jewish people were treated by the Nazis.

In January 2010 Conservative councillor Smith Benson said there were "too many pakis" in the town.

In 2011 Conservative councillor Bob Frost described people involved in the riots as "jungle bunnies"

In 2013 Conservative councillor John Cherry opposed proposals by a London academy to open a boarding school in Sussex, saying "Pakistani children "will fail to rise to the top" and some nationalities are "uncertain" what hard work is."

In 2014 MP Patrick Mercer resigned after saying a female soldier looked like a 'bloody Jew'.

In 2009 an article in the Guardian stated:

"the Tories will sit [in the European Parliament] with entities such as the Latvian Fatherland and Freedom party, several of whose MPs marched in Riga with veterans of the Latvian SS; and the Polish Law and Justice party, one of whose parliamentarians described Barack Obama's presidency as marking the "end of the civilisation of the white man"...........

"The latest racist scandal to engulf OUCA is the revelation that during election hustings for the post of junior officer positions, candidates were asked to tell "the most racist joke they know" and to describe their favourite minority. One candidate answered with a joke about black people hanging in the family tree."

There is a determination from some to characterise the Labour Party as being crammed with racists and, in particular, anti-semites. Any criticism of the actions of Israel is now off limits since that now is classed as "anti-semitic". And yet people criticise other countries' actions - their internal and external policies - (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Philippines, Zimbabwe, USA, Pakistan, China, etc. etc. etc.) without such comments being outlawed because they are automatically deemed to be racist.

That's an old link, primrose. Can you not find anything more up-to-date?

At least Momentum are British. Cambridge Analytica's parent company is in the USA.

www.channel4.com/info/press/news/the-battle-for-the-labour-party-channel-4-dispatches

Gavin Millar QC, who has been interviewed for the programme, told Dispatches: “The Labour Party, following this broadcast, should investigate who in the Jeremy for Labour campaign was responsible for overseeing the arrangements for the payment of those staff and their presence in the Unite offices while they were doing Momentum work. Somebody is responsible.” In addition, Dispatches’ undercover reporter hears how Momentum is harvesting personal data from this leadership campaign

With all the fuss about Cambridge Analytica and the speculation about 'the Tories' - why is no one talking about Jon Lansman, who has set up his company to be the owner of all the Labour Party and Momentum data?
It's the same thing.

He's been suspended Primrose65 what more would you want to be done?

Not get a lecture on Palestine and the 'confusion' around anti-semitism would be a good start. My post was not a broad condemnation, it was specific. Now that you're aware, you're choosing not to engage but to change the topic.
Looks very much like you don't understand trisher. That offensive image has absolutely nothing to do with Palestine.

Labour has suspended a prospective local councillor candidate Alan Bull
He's been suspended Primrose65 what more would you want to be done?
So Iam64 are the many Jewish people who find Israel's treatment of the Palestinians unacceptable Anti-Semitic?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Justice_for_Palestinians
Do these people not understand?

I cannot believe my post was deleted. Many people feel their opinion is a truth and talk as if it is. That might make them misguided but it does not for one minute mean I was suggesting Annie is a liar as was suggested apparently and I certainly didn't say anything of the sort.

Talking offensively about the behavior of the Israeli government is no different to talking offensively about, say, the behaviour of the Russian government.

Isn't antisemitism specifically against the Jewish people?
Palestinians can be Jewish, Christian or Muslim.
Support for Palestine doesn't mean against Jews, because some Palestinians are Jewish.

I’m another who has failed to be educated about the fine line between support for Palestinian people and anti semitism. That was of course heavy sarcasm. My fear is that many who deny making anti Semitic comments but talk offensively about Zios are those who have failed to understand

It's okay, whitewave, primrose wasn't talking about LP members on gransnet.

It’s disgraceful .....who is this idiot Alan Bull? Don’t they do background checks before selection I wonder?

trisher, I'm fully aware of the difference. I don't think you even know who or what you're defending. I don't really care if it makes you ignorant or an apologist, but look at what you're condoning before you lecture me on what I do or do not understand.

primrose65 the many attempts that have been made to try and explain the difference between anti-semitism and anti-Israeli views have obvously failed to educate you. It is a fact that many people find the suffering of the Palestinian people completely unacceptable. Their views have nothing to do with Jews or the Jewish religion. It isn't racist to think that all people have human rights.

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Oh dear

Article in The Times about Corbyn being a member of another anti-semitic FB group. Once could be considered careless ......

He is said to have been added to the group in 2014 and to have quit it today after media reports about his membership

Labour has suspended a prospective local councillor candidate Alan Bull too, who was selected despite the local party being aware he was spreading holocaust denial stuff on social media.

And yes, I'm still 'flogging the anti-semitism theme'. Because the LP seems to be full of racists.