Corbyn's Magnetism

"Anything to say about Boris comparing the world cup in Russia to Hitler and the Olympics, primrose?"

Annie, nobody said that Boris compared Putin to Hitler.
If you are going to criticise what I say, make sure you quote properly.

Let's not talk about that ?

Charming, isn’t it?

durhamjen
Let's not forget it was the high priest of tax avoidance, jean claude Juncker, who, when he was priminister of Luxembourg, gave Amazon the best tax avoidance deal they could ever have hoped for.

And Ann Black was replaced by this Momentum female , Corbyn must be proud of his part in it

A kinder, gentler politics, courtesy of Momentum. To be fair, though, it is a forward-looking statement.

“you bunch of fucking wankers” – was followed swiftly by the perhaps unwiser “I want to kill you all”

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/03/commons-confidential-momentum-s-christine-shawcroft-loses-comrades-furious

I quite agree trisher; it's almost as if some people only exist in the past.

The Shadow Brexit Minister Paul Blomfield certainly put his view of this forward this morning pointing out the irony in TM saying to the other EU countries that we need to stand united, shoulder to shoulder, etc. when, as he put it "she has been allowing Boris Johnson off his leash ... causing maximum offence to our European neighbours." After adding that a strong position should be taken against Russia, he replied to a question about Johnson's comment on the parallel with Hitler hosting the Olympics in 1936 and Putin hosting the World Cup that "the way that the Foreign Secretary let's his mouth run away with itself sometimes doesn't help diplomacy" He added that just as we need to be tough on the Russian government and tough on Putin who is the most appalling leader and that Russia is a strategic threat to the West. However, he added that Johnson seems to forget what happened to the Russian people during WWII and just how offensive those comments will have been to the people of Russia.

I thought it was very well said and another example of how some very good people have come to the fore under the Corbyn leadership.

It's not reds under the bed at all trisher. Andrew Murray was a member of the Communist Party for 40 years!

It is a constant source of amusement to me that there are people who are terrified of non-existant Reds under the beds but accept the machinations of a rich Tory party with wealth and establishment connections as just the way things are. It's not the left who are the real threats to democracy it's the right wing tories. Wake up and smell the coffee!!!

POGS fortunately the Communist and Trot leanings of Corbyn and McDonnell and those in his office and in the Momentum office supporting him is now becoming more well known to everybody.They constantly say that they are ‘in tune with the people in the UK’ when it isn’t true, they may be in tune with the younger and more radical section of society ( that’s not all younger people though) but not what is called ‘the man in the street’.

Sometimes it needs a politician ready to tell it as it is instead of hemming and hawing.
No matter what anyone thinks of Boris, he answered a question readily and with a great deal of truth, Putin and the hosting of the football is very much like Hitler in the 1930’s hosting the games in Munich.Both becoming powerful figures, both utterly ruthless and gaining world admiration and credibility by hosting sporting prestigious sporting events.

The thought of Boris as PM is not a pleasant thought. But he did not compare Putin with Hitler

Exactly, Jen.

Talking about Boris, where is Nazanin Ratcliffe, the woman he swore to leave no stone unturned to get out of Iran?

Thank whitewave.

Annie, my feeling is that Boris has a very different relationship to the truth to the rest of us. If it is useful to Boris he says it no matter who it causes problems for or what it does to the country. I can see no actual "truth" in what he said yesterday and certainly no diplomacy. Heaven knows what difficulties he will get the country into before he has finish with his 'make Boris PM' campaign as that is all he seems to be really interested in.

Murphy on a roll today. He's in the Netherlands discussing country by country reporting - the way to get facebook and Amazon to pay the taxes due.

He read a report from the BVI complaining that the UK government and the EU are trying to take money away from them!

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/03/22/memo-to-the-bvi-youre-a-tax-haven-hurricane-or-not/

I thought your post good gg
The Nordic model is something we have often talked about as a real alternative to the clapped out model we have in this country.

I don't recall ever discussing Livingstone since in junior school.

Strange, Annie, that you never stuck up for Livingstone the same way.

Murphy wrote that on his birthday, GracesGran. He's not going to calm down now he's 60, is he?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/03/22/if-only-we-had-the-means-to-take-back-control/

Never thought I would have cause to defend Boris but truth is truth. He did not compare Putin to Hitler, he answered a question which compared the gathering in Russia for the World Cup with the gathering in Germany for those Olympics .

In his blog post this morning Richard Murphy, a strong supporter of much of what the LP is currently putting forward economically, makes a very interesting point. Talking about how well the Guardian has done on exposing the Cambridge Analytica, he says:

But in amongst all the issues raised I want to point out the big one that is not being stated clearly enough. The challenge to democracy that the Guardian has exposed does not come from Russia. Nor is the issue particular to Cambridge Analytica. And I doubt it is peculiar to Facebook either. The challenge to democracy comes from capitalism itself.

If anyone used the weaknesses in the systems of Facebook for their own ends (and it seems certain that they did: that was Cambridge Analaytica’s raison d’etre) then this was not a case of ‘bad apples’. This happened because capitalism is designed to exploit weaknesses in pursuit of profit unless prevented from doing so.

This begs the question I see many are asking. Attracted to a Corbyn led Labour Party because they are aware that neoliberalist capitalism is failing so many, my question of the Labour Party would be - can they grasp the capitalism that would suit as many as possible. My personal feeling is that the Nordic model is the one that has done this best. I also find it interesting that it is known as Nordic Capitalism and Nordic Social Democracy.

The idea that everyone is looking to Corbyn as a hero fails to understand how let down people feel by Britian's backward looking politics. I have no idea if a Corbyn led Labour Party or a Labour Party led by anyone can do this but I do know that, where the Conservatives appear to be deaf to the views of the majority until forced to change what they are doing but not what they think, Corbyn has reached many of the people who feel no one is listening. We still do not know if the Labour Party can change we just know that it appears that the Conservatives can't.

The rest of the article is here The challenge to democracy is from capitalism

Yes, threads wander. Andrew Murray, anyone? Not the tennis player but the Corbyn advisor. Part Unite, part Labour Party former Communist. Member of the Communist party for many, many years. Only a member of Labour since 2016 and drafted in to help Corbyn win the election. ( He didn't.) I wasn't really aware of his allegiance and background until he was mentioned in an article I was reading this afternoon. The Labour Party is very Trot heavy. Was also reading about the Unite Union's heavy investment in the Labour Party and Len McCluskey's background...There are many interesting characters surrounding Corbyn. Must do some more research. The wo/man in the street ought to know more about the make up of Corbyn's Labour Party and the people who guide him, especially while hat-gate and Kremlin photos are hot topics.

Threads wander and the politics as we have had just recently applies to many, if not all, parts of the party structure.

But you can't complain that we don't stick to the op when you don't.