Corbyn's Magnetism

I wish GG2 that people would look at the evidence, but something said by the CA executive caught on the secret video was so true.

He said elections are not won on facts, but on emotions

In the case of the US it was stirring up emotions based on prejudices as you said. Here in the UK they are focusing on stoking up the emotion of fear.

oldmeg I think the biggest issue facing us at the moment is the influence CA over the referendum, in which they have admitted they interfered. This is a perversion of the democratic system and throws the result of the referendum into doubt. However it will be astonishing if details of this interference is made public because of the agenda of this government. As well as the Brexiter, there are a number of Tories on the board of the parent company and they are busy covering their backs as we are now aware.

With regard to Corbyn, no doubt the smear campaign is relentless. That is where social media actually is so useful as people who are concerned with truth and post information that rebut the continuous lies. The young are more than aware of the MSMs continual perversion and are able to find information from the internet, however, the older more traditional voter still relies on the MSM for their information, which we now know is both untruthful and extraordinarily biased. Time will change this though.

I think, when people realise that what Trump offered was not politics but a sop designed to appeal to the varied prejudices of different groups of people, OldMeg, some will look at the farcical attacks on Corbyn et al.

The issues become worse when you realise that some of those prejudices are reasonably held; they are just not accurate in defining the cause. Trump is no more likely to solve them, because he misdirects the cause, than Brexit is likely to solve the legitimate issues of people in this country. Sadly I think more will drop out of politics, not using their vote and many will simply be more disillusioned. You can only hope enough fight for truth, not lies and facts rather than spin.

It is happening now. The Cons have identified the NHS as something "people" are worried about. They have no real ethos in preserving it - just the opposite it appears - but they do have and ethos in preserving their vote so they will give a little in the direction of nurses, etc. This is not a sound way to run any economy or country or, you would hope, to end up being trusted.

GG2 the Cambridge Analytica scandal that is unravelling makes it apparent how easily those with an political agenda (eg run a smear campaign against eg Clinton/ Corbyn) can influence voters.

I wonder what will happen when the thinking American public realise just how they’ve been manipulated. And if it will make thinking British voters examine carefully what misinformation they are being fed. In the case of Corbyn it is quite obvious or is it?

Corbyn is following the rule of law (CWC) over the chemical attack, nothing more and nothing less.

cannot I cannot

It really does show how well the right feel Corbyn is doing that these posts have descended to lies and fake news. Does this make your case - no. Corbyn is not "hero" as far as I am concerned but I am extremely suspicious of any political beliefs that can only be put forwards by distortion and obfuscation.

Corbyn had nothing to do with people being "gunned down" nor with the deaths of " 12 year old and a 3 year old" and I am discussed that a site where Grans can discuss real politics is allowing these inferences to be made.

If is also a lie that Corbyn has defended Russia. He condemned the attacks and he said the responsibility lay with Russia. What he did not do, and nor have our allies, is believe everything that came out of the mouths of the Conservatives - who would - when they twisted the actual evidence available. To quote again the interview with Gerry Smith, a risk consultant who was formerly an inspector for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons "... on the basis of what we've been told, what's in the public domain and, as you indicate, there may well be a great deal more that we are not being told, is it legitimate to question what the governments telling us about Russia" and thankfully we have some in government who are prepared to do that.

I would say that cannot believe the lies and what are probably slanders that are in posts on this thread but of course I can; that is what these threads are set up for after all. If you cannot reasonably defend your own politics or attack your opposers it appears that all some can resort to attacking the people with lies, a blurring of known facts and what surely amounts to slander.

Primrose after watching a very detailed programme about how propaganda was used on social media to influence the US elections by spreading disinformation to the gullible, it has made me look on threads like this with a wary eye.

I’ve never been one to blindly follow. And I’ve akways passed so called ‘information’ over a reality filter, but sadly most simply believe what is fed to them.

And there’s certainly some rubbish being spouted about Corbyn in much the same way that Hilary Clinton was pilloried.

Momentum activists have finally made it to the satirical pages of the Daily Mash.

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/momentum-member-thinks-he's-in-the-resistance-or-something-20180320146151

I'd dump him too, Nikki. He sounds like a real bore.

With Corbyn, I don't think you have any hope, to be honest.
Blair
1994 elected leader Labour Party
1997 elected Prime Minister

Corbyn
2015 elected leader Labour Party
2018 defending Russia and complaining about a photoshopped hat.

Knock him all you want, he didn't moan about trivia and develop the persona of a victim instead of a leader.

Peace and love, Annie. Hope not hate.

Thought S.A. Would be brought into this, there was injustice in N.I. But pathetic to compare it with apartheid S.A.

Corbyn didn't talk to both sides, this is claimed now to excuse his support for one side .

Pathetic defence for your hero

In order to have peace you have to talk to both sides.
In order to have peace both sides have to forgive.
Is that not what happened in South Africa, peace and reconciliation?

Your opinion Trisha, you have no idea what I feel for those children, you want to believe something nasty, you keep saying I hate Corbyn, I do not, I am angry with him , anger is not hate,

Nothing changes the fact those two innocents died on the streets of an English town, just as nothing changes the fact that soldiers gunned down innocent people on a peaceful protest on Bloody Sunday, you dismiss the killings with - it was done by both sides, guess what ? I know and I feel anger. But you in your desperation to defend Corbyn use my faith to mock me. He attended memorial services for killed IRA members , fact. Defend him as much as you want, he supported terrorists , this makes me angry when I hear some prattling on that he is a man of peace .

Keep mocking my faith, it doesn't matter but please must we have - there are children in this country who are hungry but mention of two boys blown up we have - fault on both sides .

Using the children to make political points isn't 'mocked' Annie it is despised. Pretending to care just to promote your hatred of Corbyn doesn't respect their memory. The conflict inN.Ireland took the lives of many and their memory should be not be used to score points in a discussion.

Jennie Formby

it hurts to see the young faces but we mustn't forget those children , we read so much anger about children who are hungry yet to remember these children is mocked

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43469976

Thank you for reminding us, Anniebach, that today is the 25th anniversary of that appalling act.

How sad and poignant to look at those two innocent faces.

skwawkbox.org/2018/03/20/momentum-law-did-not-have-permission-to-use-our-banner-in-protest/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-merseyside-43465409/warrington-ira-bomb-25th-anniversary-marked

You can look at these innocents and defend a man who supported their murderers

Truth upsets some

Anniebach's last comment was appalling

Oh Annie a new low. Just when I think you have scraped the barrel you manage something worse. I hope you feel a warm glow using other peoples' pain and misery to prop up your desperate rants. It says a lot about how truly Christian you are.

25 years ago today the Warrington bombing, a 12 year old and a 3 year old killed. I expect Corbyn took an asprin so as not to feel the pain of the children or their parents