Corbyn's Magnetism

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Antisemitism in the UK
of previous incidents in which he has made comments that have been interpreted as
antisemitic, or especially offensive to Jewish people, we believe it likely that he knew
that his comments would cause similar offence. T h
e fact that he continues to defend his
position casts serious doubt on whether he has sufficient understanding of the nature
of contemporary antisemitism. In the words of Mr Corbyn, who described himself as
his friend, we hope that Mr Livingstone will “mend his ways” without delay.
Other political activity
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Despite significant press and public attention on the Labour Party, and a number of
revelations regarding inappropriate social media content, there exists no reliable, empirical
evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes
within the Labour Party than any other political party. We are unaware whether efforts
to identify antisemitic social media content within the Labour Party were applied equally
to members and activists from other political parties, and we are not aware of any polls
exploring antisemitic attitudes among political party members, either within or outside
the Labour Party. The current impression of a heightened prevalence of antisemitism
within in the Labour Party is clearly a serious problem, but we would wish to emphasise
that this is also a challenge for other parties.
121.
A representative YouGov poll carried out in May 2016 found that Labour voters were
no more likely than voters from other parties to express antisemitic attitudes, with UKIP
voters demonstrating the highest levels of antisemitism.
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As outlined earlier in this
report, a survey of British Jewish people found that almost half of respondents felt that the
Green Party is too tolerant of antisemitism (compared with 87% in relation to the Labour
Party), 43% think the same of UKIP, 40% of the SNP, and over a third in relation to the
Liberal Democrats.
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122.
Other political parties have not been immune to accusations of antisemitism, albeit
apparently with a smaller number of reported incidents, and with a lower profile. In April
2015, a Conservative candidate for Derby Council was expelled from her Party after she
said she would never support “the Jew” Ed Miliband.
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In August 2014, the University
College London (UCL) Union investigated the university’s Conservative Society after it was
accused of creating a “toxic environment”, with one member reported to have said “Jews
own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”.
Media reports suggest that the incident was never investigated by the Conservative Party,
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but it is unclear whether it was ever referred to the Party, and questions have subsequently
been raised about the veracity of the complaint.

There are thousands upon thousands of Jewish Labour Party members.

But I bow to lemons superior knowledge that most have deserted the LP

"Overall, there has been a long-term, upwards trend in reported levels of antisemitism since 2000, with monthly incident totals now almost double what they were in 2011–13. As the Institute for Jewish Policy
Research notes, however, CST data is a vital source of information, but there is no way of knowing for certain whether the increase is real or due to a change in reporting habits.
From the 2016 report into antisemitism.

Interesting lemon that you consider that Jewish people are more easily influenced by MSM than the rest of us. Perhaps there will be some who will resent being expected to support the Tory party, who will recognise the attempt to use anti-semitism as a political football and who will vote accordingly.

Labour have now lost most of the Jewish vote I suspect, Corbyn is offering too little and too late.
Hope he thinks it was worth it.

Baggs I wonder how do you feel about orthodox Judaism which espouses many of the same restrictions as Islam? Women do not show their hair, must dress conservatively, are separated from men during worship and are considered "unclean" at certain times of the month when their husbands should not touch them.
Of course it is difficult to criticise.

What an incredibly smug post from you ww.
Actually, it seems from your comments on this thread that you are very rattled by the accusations against the LP.
You have nothing convincing to say, and are in full denial mode.Sad.

that’s it I’m afraid sorry to disappoint you lemon

The one on this thread for a start.

Really, primrose. How many of whitewave's posts have you had deleted?

You need to lighten up primrose

No point in engaging because we are so far apart on most subjects that I have learned that if you get rattled you lash out and I’m trying to avoid that so I don’t engage.

I'm only writing what Jenny Manson said!
That is the JVL description of their purpose. It's nothing to do with the Board of Deputies or the Tory Party.

ww - why all the personal attacks? You're not engaging with anything I write, you just keep posting personal attacks towards me that I have to report and then they're deleted.

Primrose is following party line

Primrose, Corbyn doesn't have a group specifically to squash allegations of anti semitism, nor were groups there at his behest. There are other Jewish groups in Labour because they don't feel that the Board of Deputies represents them. Given that principle people in that group are linked with the Tory party then this is hardly surprising

Amazing the different replies baggs

baggs I agree with your reasoning.

And yes if I was Jewish I would be “congenitally nervous”

Yes I feel entitled to have an opinion of women’s rights and the Islamic religion, the wealth of the Christian church and the hypocracy of saying “ blessed are the poor” and the land grab by Israel in Palestine, and their refusal to recognise Palestine as a sovereign state. Nor express amazement, horror and disgust at a Buddhist state that burns alive muslim citizens amongst other atrocities. The Hindu practice of caste whilst illegal remains stubbornly resistant to change.


But none of that means I am anti-Islam,Christian or Jew, Buddhist or Hindu

I simply spread my prejudice across a broad church????

Baggs, I think you do have a point. From my own observations, I think people start off with what may be legitimate criticism of Islam or Christianity, or of Israeli treatment of Palestinians which is also sanctioned by the UN. The problem is that this sometimes ends up with racist or anti Semitic language etc being used. I think some of this is about ignorance and people will see that when it's pointed out. Unfortunately there is still too many examples of racism in our society

That's really interesting Baggs thanks for posting. Certainly puts JVL in a certain light - the video of Jenny Manson explaining what their objectives are is illuminating.
"Many of us are totally secular. We have identified as Jews for a specific reason.....(talks about having an associate membership so you don't have to be Jewish to join)....we started the organisation for two reasons, one was for Palestinian rights and the other was to tackle allegations of anti-semitism in the Labour Party and then goes to say she was talking to staff of Corbyn and Chakrabati today (19th March) about that.
I wonder why Corbyn feels a need to have a group who identifies as Jewish for the purpose of squashing claims of anti-semitism with the Labour Party? That counter-protest outside parliament on his behalf - or possible his behest.
I think that's a question he needs to answer. It's not about fighting anti-semitism. It's about fighting allegations of anti-semitism, using secular people who identify as Jews for that purpose.
Shocking. I think this is going to get worse, not better.

bmacca, I think a lot of what is called hatred of Muslims is in fact criticism of Islam, which is not essentially different from, say, criticism of Christianity or any other relgion, but it is called Islamophobia. It is not fear of Muslims but fear of some of what Islam teaches.

I also think that there is a lot of criticism of Israel that is called anti-Semitism and I think some of that may be what's affecting the Labour Party right now.

I do not blame Jews for being "congenitally nervous", as Phillips puts it, after what happened to Jews in the last century.

More difficulty from the BBC for Labour

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The difficulty Labour is against in the MSM

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There are anti semites in our society, and no doubt that some of them are Labour Party members. There are a lot of racists in our society unfortunately, and again no doubt some of them are party members too. However, Corbyn has always condemned all racism, has regularly spoken out about it and his voting record proves this. It is interesting why so much is being made of a comment from years ago, and why now.
Jonathon Cook, a journalist based in Jerusalem, raises interesting questions:
"There is twofold problem here. First, for anyone with their eyes open, anti-semitism clearly isn’t being treated by our elites in the same way as other forms of racism – against Muslims, for instance. It is being prioritised by politicians and the corporate media as a special kind of racism: more significant, more dangerous, more worthy. When would you ever see the full breadth of the British media – from the Daily Mail to the Guardian and BBC – collectively obsessing about a wall mural unless it was being claimed as an example of anti-semitism?

In fact, when there has been very clear evidence of incitement against Muslims, repeatedly in the case of inflammatory cartoons by European publications depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a terrorist and worse, western liberals have insisted on the right to offend and scandalise".

www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-03-27/the-anti-semitism-paradox-damaging-labour/

Lemon, have you not read the conclusions of the committee which said that there was no more of a problem in the labour party than in any other party?
Most of the members were tory.

You see the problem is baggs that for every article like that I can find two others supporting Corbyn.

I as a long time member of Labour have as I keep saying have never experienced the type of behaviour being claimed. That is not to say that it doesn’t exist. Labour like the country is a cross section. It will and should be dealt with. However nothing will convince me that it is anywhere near as bad as the Tory party.

I am convinced of ulterior motives as all the main agencies involved have links to the Tory party.

grandad the LP has grown so swiftly over the past 2 years that I think any leader would be hard pushed to keep up with the problems this brings.
Indeed so, ww, and some of us would be hard pushed to be leaders at all, as I intimated above with regard to myself.

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Some of the readers of this thread might be interested to read Melanie Phillips' article, Mouse roars; look what happens.