Corbyn's Elasticity

Sadly annie I think it's wishful thinking, but I sincerely hope that I'm wrong! I really do admire you for your tenacity, under at times, considerable opposition bordering on derision from your fellow socialists (?)

nigglynellie Ralph Milliband was described as a 'Communist Marxist Traitor,' not a Jewish one by the Daily Mail or anyone else.
Well, that's defamatory but, as nn says, not anti-semitic

In fact I thought he served in the RN during WW2.

Micheal Rosen of the Bear Hunt noted that

“The DM has gone to war against Jewdas. Of course this isn’t Antisemitism. The Daily. Mails last great forey into Labour Leaders and Jews, the Daily Mail told us not to vote for Miliband because his dad was a Jewish traitor”

I remember some furore over that, but, according to the Independent (is that independent - it should be if its title is anything to go by?) that wasn't strictly true.

“And the Mail’s article about Ralph Miliband? Oh, that old thing. Well, apart from the offensively mendacious and defamatory headline, I (like Eric Moonman and many other prominent Jews) could find NOTHING in the article that had a whiff, a sniff or any other hint of anti-Semitism. Given my slight familiarity with Dacre and slightly better acquaintance with Geoffrey Levy (who didn’t supply the headline) I would have been surprised to find anything.^

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-daily-mails-feature-on-ralph-miliband-was-many-things-but-anti-semitic-it-was-not-8864217.html

Rosen does write fiction though, does he not? Good stories but perhaps he went on hearsay that time.

Whether or not the DM has gone to war against Jewdas I wouldn't know because, unlike some posters on here, I don't read it.

Hopefully the link has worked. Blimey I shall run past myself in a minute.

But it is worth a read

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/rob-abrams/when-i-found-antisemitism-on-left-jewdas-were-there-for-me

I now wish centre left MP's would leave the Corbyn party and form a new party, I am ashamed to say I am a member of the labour but working to be a communist party

Totally agree GG.
Racism and anti-semitism can be found everywhere, in every political party, social class and religious group.
Why blame it all on the leader of one political party when there is clear evidence that anti-semitism among Labour voters is reducing and is far less than for other parties?
It’s a nonsense.
Just convenient for the Tories as it’s not long before the local elections, and they’re making the most of it.

Why, however, are we not asking what society can do rather than just what the LP can do

Because this is a Corbyn thread?

but why are we only talking about this one race or religion?

Because LP members, councillors and Corbyn have all been commenting on, liking or sharing antisemitic material.

That comment is just trite Primrose. If there is no more anti-Semitism in the LP than in the rest of society no one is saying that is a good thing.

Why, however, are we not asking what society can do rather than just what the LP can do? The LP are attempting to deal with it; what have we heard the government say about anti-Semitism in general in the overall society? Why has this attack been aimed at one man who is renown for wanting to talk problem issues through? Why has the government - who are currently responsible for the laws going through parliament and could be seen as responsible for the nudges that are given to society, sitting so quietly on this subject and allowing an unelected group of Jewish "leaders" to take over their position?

No race or religion should be treated in a hateful way - but why are we only talking about this one race or religion? Have their been not other racist remarks on Facebook or twitter? Why have the papers not brought those to the fore?

Primrose

Perhaps Corbyn should wear a t-shirt, Grandad.
"Labour. Not as bad as the National Front."

Primrose, there are far more Holocaust denier's on the right of British politics than there has ever been associated with the left. The National front, The British defence League and in recent times a current one that has good connection to a prominent group and member of the Conservative parimentry party.

Even gets invitations to black tie dinners.

Nothing will happen to Ken, you can bank on that!

What a load of charmers the Jewdas group seem to be if they chant ‘prayers’ like you describe Annie what is it with these far left radical groups? Corbyn needs to get on now and meet and discuss with Jews from other parties, and Labour ( but not pro Communist ones) if he hopes to get this under control.

I understood that Livingstones suspension has been extended and that he is being subject to another formal investigation.

As far as I am aware the Jewish Labour advised on this and their advice was heeded.

I'm not sure bmacca but that's a fair point. I'm sure once Ken is back, this will all die down and be forgotten.

The accusation that Corbyn is soft on Antisemitism is baseless. Corbyn has repeatedly condemned AS in the most emphatic terms, both as an MP and leader of the opposition.
In response to allegations of AS at Oxford University Labour Club, labour instituted a formal investigation chaired by a figure that commands the respect of Corbyn harshest critic.
Labour members accused of AS have been immediately suspended or expelled. In no case have any of those members been allowed to continue with their membership.

Corbyn has dealt with all these cases as severely as any previous leader.

Primrose, the Chakrabati report is now in the hands of Jennie Formby in her new role as Labours General Secretary. I would think that it was the first item on her agenda as she starts that office this week

Her forerunner left it to gather dust on the desk, and I wonder if that was to create trouble for Jeremy Corbyn. However, that and similar reasons was in the end the encouragement that was shown to him to pass through the door.

Primrose, what independent scrutiny should any report from a political party get? The Chakrabarti report was compiled by a number of people, who consulted with a much wider range of people. Has the Tory party submitted any of their process for dealing with anti semitism for independent scrutiny?

Yes I agree Whitewave, in my 74 years this is undoubtedly the best time in my experience for ethnic acceptance in Britain

It played a major part in the Brexit refurenum vote I feel, but much of that was most certainly driven by the hard right media with the usual culprits at the front

It is true, they do have 'a process'. I mean - look at Ken Livingstone. He's going through the process. Anyone have any ideas how long 'the process' takes?

If the Chakrabati report is fully implemented, Ken can be readmitted, as there's a 2 year time limit. So if 'the process' takes more than 2 years, you're not dealt with at all.

I'm not sure the Chakrabati report has come under enough independent scrutiny to determine if it will solve the problems that people seem to think it will.

Earlier, Mr Corbyn said: “I’m very happy to meet them anytime and my door is open to them and to any other Jewish organisation.

“We’re determined to deal with the issue of anti-Semitism in our society and in any political party including our own.

“We have processes, if somebody has committed any anti-Semitic act or made some anti-Semitic remarks they’ll be brought to book and we’ll deal with them.”

Not in the Daily Mail! which proves that an untruth can be presented as a truth and thereafter believed as such.

The BBC has just said that the Board of Deputies and the Jewish Leadership Council have replied to JC's letter accepting his offer to meet and outlining a way forward on talking anti-Semitism.

Grandad, I think some of the other Jewish groups are now starting to speak out, as there are a lot who don't agree with the Board of Deputies. Corbyn will meet the BoD but in an open meeting, with no demands to be met beforehand. Jewdas has done some good work about anti semitism and how to criticise Israel without being anti Semitic. I think it will be helpful to listen to groups like them, alongside implementing the Chakrobarti report and Jennie Formby's review of the compliance unit