Corbyn's Elasticity

I think the Board of Jewish Deputies has a point. If someone in the BNP said Israel was “a steaming pile of sewage which needs to be disposed of” then I think it's pretty fair to say that is antisemitic. Why is it different if that comes from a group of anarchist Jews? I don't think that is a political left/right stance. Perhaps someone who understands why condemnation of that statement is left/right political, rather than antisemitic could explain it.

The question is firstly what are they frightened of, and secondly why the need to control?

I think we are beginning to see clearly the bias in the Board of Jewish Deputies which is nothing to do with anti-Semitism, which we would all condemn, but much to do with their own politics. These are the people some of the LP MPs sided with.

I don't blame Corbyn for asking for an open meeting with them and an agreed agenda rather than the closed meeting with him accepting their agenda they are insisting on.

I didn't think it was either humptydumpty but it has been criticised by another Jewish group:
This morning Jonathan Arkush, the Chair of the Board of Jewish Deputies, declared Jewdas a “source of virulent antisemitism” and “a group that puts out racism”, despite the fact they’re a Jewish group of committed anti-fascists.

so how can we agree if they do not?

I support moderation, and have always enjoyed a debate, but there has been very little moderation to be found in the hate filled bile on this thread. It isn’t just on this thread though is it? This has been going on for months and months, and is the most unpleasant period on GN that I can remember

Excuse me because I have't had time to read all of this thread, and I'm probably just simple anyway - but I don't understand why going to the Jewdas Seder is anti-semitic? Has TM been to any Jewish celebrations recently, left- or right-wing or centralist?

Presumably in Nazi Germany graffiti daubed everywhere about the Jews and others should have been shrugged off as 'satire, and trivial jokes'?
If it was nigglynellie it was the socialists, trade unionists and communists who actively condemned such things and spoke out and who were murdered alongside Jews for their political views. Something a lot of people should remember.

I don't heap bile on Corbyn - I just don't think he's the right person to lead our country forwards. I can think of other Labour MPs who could bring the party together again, and other posters have said that too.

I don't like the 'under-belly' of nastiness that is going on in social media and the sheer nastiness that has become apparent since such as McDonnell came to the forefront. And I don't think I am alone because I think that many Labour MPs feel the same way - but will be de-selected if they don't agree. Ironic, as Corbyn has spent his whole Parliamentary career rebelling but will not tolerate dissension amongst his party.

As you can see Grandad1943, Jalima has just perfectly illustrated GracesGranMK2's point.
Rubbish - there are other threads where Grandad's post which is worthy of discussion would not get lost.

Presumably in Nazi Germany graffiti daubed everywhere about the Jews and others should have been shrugged off as 'satire, and trivial jokes'?! I think we're all aware of what that sort of attitude can lead to, whoever and whatever it is about!

Grandad there are indeed other threads where you can discuss all those issues and your contributions will be very interesting and useful.
What you have posted is worthy of discussion and could get lost on here - one Gransnetter started a thread recently about the same problem because it is she herself who is being affected.

This thread was about Jeremy Corbyn and his divisive leadership, which is indeed a serious consideration if the country is ever going to achieve a more moderate government or achieve some of the things which you mention.
However, it is obvious that no-one is allowed to be a moderate - it's either support Corbyn or apparently you are somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun. Any thoughts on a more considered, moderate way forward are shouted down and other posters who feel that way have ceased posting too.

As you can see Grandad1943, Jalima has just perfectly illustrated GracesGranMK2's point.

Grandad, have you looked at the other politics threads.

This is really a haven for those who want to attack Corbyn in as nasty a way as possible. It usually ends up with little or no real discussion and, as you have seen, should you try to change it you are told to go away. When this thread is finished they will start another one flagged up in the same way as a "let's heap our bile on Corbyn" thread.

Many of us have tried to turn it into a discussion in the past and try to offset the worst and most biased and simply untruthful comments. Sadly GNHQ does nothing; I have a feeling this sort of thread must attract more members or feed the capitalist need in some way.

Several of us are now discussing off forum and one has left completely. We have seen this for years.

Separate issues Grandad

In regard to sensibilities being hurt by jokes and murals, perhaps we should look at what really should offend each and every one of us in centre led Britain.

About fifteen months ago one of the cleaners in our offices suddenly received a letter from her private landlord informing her and her husband that the property they lived in (their home) was to be put up for sale and therefore they had 28 days to vacate.

Both her and her Husband were working with three children, but due to the price of property in North Somerset they had no chance of getting on the property ladder while paying high rent charges and council housing is next to non existent in somerset. They had previously owned a house in Bristol but due to her husband's redundancy they could no longer afford the mortgage and so had to move out.

Following the above, they had settled and rented in North Somerset to enable her husband to take advantage of the large industrial centre at Avonmouth which offers better wage opportunity employment than Central Bristol.

However, after just over eighteen months in the rented property the above letter arrived. The nearest rental property they could afford was found ten miles away in the next town and therefore one of her children had to change schools and the other two have a fifty minute bus journey to make twice a day. As they cannot afford to own two cars our cleaner also had to leave our employment to seek a job nearer to where they now live

They are still living under the threat of one month notice of eviction despite all they have tried to do for their family and playing by the rules.

The above is Thatcher's, Majors, Blair's, Browns, Cameron's and now Mays Britain, and that the plight of families such as i have quoted is something we should all be deeply offended about. However, it is a story that goes unreported in this country many times over every day to the shame of this population.

So, I certainly do not wish to hear how some on GN are "so deeply offended" by the triviality of murals and jokes while the above takes place all around us. To me it demonstrates how centre government have failed the best of middle Britain. Should that failure bring about a radical or extreme regime in Britain not suited to many, then they may have by caring about triviality rather than reality brought forward nothing else than what they deserve.

Let us all concentrate on what really matters in this country, and in that we will find very much to be genuinely offended about.

Apologies for the long post, but I believe some context needed to be brought to this discussion.

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So all you critics who have assured me that all racism offends who will willingly leap on all perceived racism emanating from the Labour leadership, - don’t tell me that this has anything more to do than pure political motivation

I criticised one of the so-called 'jokes' and will admit I did not follow the links to any of them - I read the one about immolation in a post on this thread.

I rarely follow links these days and certainly wouldn't follow any suspect ones like that; who knows what could be carrying a virus.

If the one about Khan is equally disgusting, then that is shocking too. I am surprised at seemingly sensible people who would follow this kind of vile stuff on the internet. It's a pity it is beginning to invade GN now as well.

Goodness of course not Annie only the chosen few are allowed anywhere near her. I attribute the "rabbit in the headlights" look to her religious upbringing. She is desperately trying to reconcile the bad things that her government are doing with her conscience.

Jonathan Lis retweeted

“Can you imagine this?

Hi local Jewish constituents, Jeremy Corbyn here. Sorry I’m going to have to cancel the long term plan of me attending your Seder tonight.
Why?
Because a bunch of non-jews will tomorrow accuse you of being Jewish Antisemites.
Happy Passover!”

A frightened rabbit? She has never squealed your harassing me and raced to hid behind a glass door.

Lansman wants a training and education programme for the NEC, including Corbyn.

Theresa May only makes visits if she knows there will be a photo shoot opportunity so it would never arise. Unfortunately even on planned visits she looks like a rabbit caaught in the headlights.

I agree Bridgeit. He just doesn't seem to know the difference between being a protest politician and a potential Prime Minister.

So what would Jeremy Corbyn supporters have said if Theresa May had done the same thing. ?As leader of the Labour Party, he needs to be a bit more circumspect he is no longer a cutting edge hippy.

Some thoughts from a far left MP

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The more I read the really pathetic excuses for Corbyn's hypocricy the more Lemmings comes to mind

So not about racism but vitriol and hate directed at one person. I think we can all agree on that.