Corbyn's Elasticity

Or was it a group of Jews, celebrating Passover in the way that Jews do, who are constituents of Corbyn's, Oldwoman?

That they do not share the political views of other Jews should surely be neither here or there. If he had joined a Christian group for an Easter celebration would you be questioning the politics of the group? You, like others, are now suggesting these people are "the wrong kind of Jew". How would you describe calling someone "the wrong kind of Jew". I know how I would. Are we really saying one, self-appoint group, who share a religion can tell another group how they should think politically - nothing to do with religion - simply because they also share that religion.

ww,speaking of setting fire to a person is not a joke, you can defend it but it is vile.

GGM2 - yes indeed the issues listed in your post at 09.02 are the amongst biggest issues facing the country right now. It would be good if the impact of the cuts and how best to influence the government for the remainder of its time in power - to just stop what its doing in the name of austerity.

Maybe a new OP to discuss that, rather than another polarised discussion on how bad / good Corbyn is would be interesting.

Which of course is what the “jokes” are about. So rather than address the issues we have outrage at sensibilities being hurt.

It is all humbug

There is a line between satire and that vile post from ww,

My idea of bad taste is making cuts in what the poor get; driving people into homelessness; children into poverty and people into jobs with wages they cannot live on. My idea of bad taste is schools without pens and paper, cutting to a four-day week. My idea of bad taste is a crumbling NHS where 'good will' will stretch no further. My idea of bad taste is people who are not able to help themselves being treated as a problem, loosing the ability to be mobile, not getting basic care. My idea of bad taste is a loss of a decent legal system that gives justice for all. My idea of bad taste is a government that takes to itself the powers of a dictator, gives us fine words but only crumbs of improvement to the lives of the poor and least able.

If you are offended by a joke that is not to your "taste" you are not looking around you and just what is really offensive in the country.

I hate satire in any shape or form. I don't find denigrating and insulting anyone, their religion, colour, or anything else even remotely funny. Same goes for real life cartoons. Surely people can express their displeasure without resorting to what amounts to either a cheap laugh or a vicious attack?

You are both absolutely proving my point. Although I hope I’ve done it with a lot more grace than you seem to manage lemon

Neither of you see fit to mention the Islamaphobia prevalent in one of the posts.

Rather like the Daily Mail, who sees nothing ironic in its screaming headlines accusing Corbyn of racism, juxtaposed to an article advising the French to vote for a fascist party.

Also, another post from you whitewave saying that all comments on here are only about political motivation regarding antsemitism within the LP.
Which means you also think the comments and feeling in the real world about it are also ‘made up’.
Does the truth only emanate from the things that you believe in I wonder.

I am not a supporter of Corbyn, however, I don't think he is racist in any way. I do think in light of the current accusations against the Labour party he was unwise to choose to attend the Passover celebration with what is seen as an extreme group, rather than a more moderate one.

An interesting excercise? whitewave......pull the other one it’s got bells on it!
You re-tweeted them because you thought they were funny, I haven’t seen anyone else (so far, will anybody now rush to agree with you?) say that they also think they were funny.
I can imagine your outrage if I had posted that joke about Corbyn or McDonnell.If we had been a group of ISIS followers instead of Gransnetters your ‘hilarious jokes’ may have been better received.
You should think before posting links.

I have never read a post which speaks of ways to murder Corbyn , his vest, his Lenin hat yes, murder ? no.

So we have now sat through pages and pages of outrage of the racism is claimed to exist in the Labour Party and the assurance that all racism is both abhorrent from wherever it stems.

Yesterday was an interesting exercise.

I posted a few links.

One was an Islamaphobic message with a smiling London Muslim mayor.

I then posted three “jokes”

One about austerity cuts, Theresa May and God telling her that she couldn’t enter heaven because of the cuts
The second was about Hunt who as the longest serving Health Minister has presided over the lowest level of funding to the NHS since its inception, resulting in deaths and long waits for operations etc. The “joke” then suggests that Hunt receives a transfusion of fuel and is set light to.
The third a rather wet “joke” about Rees-Mogg.
Now you could argue that these jokes were in poor taste, but for me the most interesting thing is that whilst “outrage” was expressed at these jokes doing the round on twitter not a SINGLE post was outraged at the image I posted of Sadiq Khan and the blatant Islamaphobia contained there-in.
Another image has provoked all sorts of moral outrage from posters, one which they have leapt on because it is linked extremely tenuously to Corbyn in 2012.
Corbyn had nothing to say about the imagery, had nothing to say about the message the artist was conveying, but did have something to say about the freedom of speech, and the freedom to offend (the two go together as I have made good use of recently)

So all you critics who have assured me that all racism offends who will willingly leap on all perceived racism emanating from the Labour leadership, - don’t tell me that this has anything more to do than pure political motivation.

It doesn’t and your postings show that it doesn’t.

Grandad, there was some thought that May took "Citizen Clem" as her holiday reading before she became PM. It appears she understood his message is what everyone wanted to hear, hence her words on the steps of number 10. Sadly, she does not have his history or character and seems to have no idea that for Atlee, it was necessary for the words to be put into action. She seems to have no real sense of how people live and cannot separate herself from those with very different views to Atlee within her party.

Grandad 1943

"Pogs, the ones protesting in the Labour party are old Blairite people who have had their day and cannot accept that things have very much moved on."

"The centre left days are well and truly over, and those who cannot accept that in the Labour movement should get out of the way and let those with fresh ideas which may mean something to hard working middle England get on with it without distraction."
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You certainly hold the same view of many but does that mean the Labour MP's and Labour Councillors who have served the party have to accept abusive behaviour toward them.?

I understand the ' grassroots' membership has altered the path the current Labour Party is taking and I do not expect Labour will loose it's loyal party voter but I wonder if the less dyed - in - the - wool voter who may have voted Labour , or voted for one of those Labour MP's who should now ' get out of the way ' see it so black and white .

Perhaps those who voted for Labour and are centre of Labour are now viewing the calls for them to 'get out of the way" and will do as suggested. What would keep you voting Labour if that is what you are being told or feel that is the way the party has gone.

I think the old adage ' Labour is a Broad Church ' is shot to pieces if only the far left of Labour has a right to exist.

Another time will tell scenarios.

Lemongrove, I did not state that I am enthusiastic in regard to the changes in Labour. I am simply stating what has happened and why. The centre right is also failing Britain for the same reasons as Blair and Brown did. Cosying up to the Bankers and multinationals will not resolve the education, housing, employment and health problems of the UK for those problems will only become worse.

Atlee realised that the British people after seven years of war would not accept the same inequality, employment and Health conditions they had lived through prior to the outbreak of war.

In the above after ten years of austerity middle Britain is now not accepting the same old reasonings for why our health service, the employment situation and gross inequality they see everyday in their lives is all that can be offered for their years of sacrifice.

I certainly wish the centre had something to offer, but they do not. Hence the rise of radical views and those views are not only being brought forward in the Labour movement. For in that, the Conservative Party is also now becoming the target of the extreme right due to its low membership problem, and that may well become a much more dangerous situation for multiple ethnic Britain.

Whitewave just because you can now post tweets, doesn’t mean you should lose ‘quality control’ .....try reading them several times before you post them ( then maybe you wouldn't post them.)

Then you may well have to accept Grandad that Labour won’t be the ruling party for a very long time.
Not everyone is as enthusiastic as you about what has happened within the LP.

Whitewave
I'm sure I speak for many posters who read but don't comment on posts when I say: if you think that the vile loathsome tweets that you link are humorous, what do you read that you think is inappropriate. It must be pretty bad.
In my eyes this has shone a whole new light on you,

Oh and I forgot, Blair's Britain also got us into the Iraqi war, also which we are all still paying for.

Pogs, the ones protesting in the Labour party are old Blairite people who have had their day and cannot accept that things have very much moved on.

Blair and the centre left failed ending in the banking crisis (which we are all still paying for) the housing crisis we now have and the gig economy. On top of that the only reason I am still working at the age of 74 (also like so many) is because of the skills shortage in this country.

The centre left days are well and truly over, and those who cannot accept that in the Labour movement should get out of the way and let those with fresh ideas which may mean something to hard working middle England get on with it without distraction.

Labour will not be going back to Blair's Britain full stop.

Grandad 1943

" I genuinely believe that this whole anti-semitic tirade against Jeremy Corbyn is now in danger of "badly backfiring" against the media and other groups making the allegations."
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Maybe you will be proven correct or maybe not, who knows.

I keep coming back to the point that the stories allegations of anti-semetism, deselection , harrassement within Labour are reported by the MSM but the fact remains the stories allegations are coming from those within the Labour Party themselves from the Parliamentary Labour Party MP's, Labour Councillors etc.

The 'tirade' has been going on for over 2 years and I never heard of reports of , allegations of anti-semetism, deselections and harrassement with in the Labour Party for many years . Labour MP's were making their comments shortly after Corbyn became Leader, Baroness Jan Royall and Chami Chakrabarti undertook inquiries into the reports of anti semitism within the party , not at the behest of the MSM might I point out.

Blimey even John McDonnell said this 2 years ago-

John McDonnell has proposed that people who express anti-Semitic views be permanently banned from the Labour Party, even if they claim to have changed their opinions. He said the party should send a “clear message” and take a hard line against anti-Jewish prejudice.

I haven’t been jumping up and down in fury either, am I a usual suspect?
I never open links by the far left on GN, but now I know what ‘jokes’ the one posted by ww ( who presumably is a believer in Corbyn’s ‘gentler and kinder way of doing politics’)...... a joke in itself as things have turned out, has posted, am not at all surprised by it.The far left do not believe in anything kind or gentle, so brutal and unfunny ‘jokes’ will be the norm for them.Should mature women, (grandma’s,)really be laughing at this sort of stuff?Bemusing isn’t it? Hardly a role model for DGC is it?
Of course McDonnell quoted somebody saying that (Esther McVey?) should be strung up, said it onstage and he and the audience had a good laugh about it.Perhaps this new and gentler way of doing politics within the LP will also become, (has already become) the norm.
No wonder that many LP members are leaving.

White wave

It is not satire and if that is what you call humour good luck to you.

As for " May I gently suggest you don’t “open” my links in future. I will give fair warning for those whose sensitivities would be hurt."

I will continue to open your links which I have found of a similar ilk. , I assure you my sensitivities are not hurt. I find reading them to be an eye opener, a reminder of the way some people can so easily be used by social media sites and by those they have no knowledge of.

I remind you it was you who told me to " point out foul mouthed rants and not keep it to myself". So I did.

I remind you it was also you who told me " Smear by innuendo isn’t particularly attractive. You need the courage to say exactly what you mean. ". So I did.

As for your comment " all the hate and vitriol they have all been busy heaping onto Corbyn. Three jokes directed at the Tory party have all the usual suspects jumping up and down in fury.". If I had seen such links that you have recently started to put on gransnet threads by any poster spouting such rubbish hiding under the umbrella of satire or humour I would have felt the same whether they are left or right of politics to be honest.

I think you are right whitewave. The BBC has certainly not been impartial. I hope they are reported because I don't want to see them as the tool of any minority group.