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Corbyn's Elasticity

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Primrose65 Wed 28-Mar-18 21:23:27

A continuation of Momentum/Intertia/Magnetism.

Elastic? Plastic? Or at breaking point?

A thread for Corbyn lovers & haters

whitewave Mon 02-Apr-18 23:02:30

Tweeted

“Despite the awful scenes in Gaza, and the shocking revelations about CA and Vote Leave. For the 10th day running the headlines in print and tv are about anti-semtism in the Labour Party
70 cases out of half a million members.

Tom London says

“All editors, broadcasters and journalists need to be beware of being used as propagandists.

Often the most powerful form of propaganda is by means of omission.

whitewave Mon 02-Apr-18 22:55:32

All the hate and vitriol being directed at Corbyn does not seem to be having the desired affect.
349 members have joined Momentum in first 2days of April.

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whitewave Mon 02-Apr-18 22:39:05

Night grandad

Grandad1943 Mon 02-Apr-18 22:35:53

Quote [ lemongrove

I should send it to The MirrorGrandadif you feel you have absolute proof of antisemitism at the top of the ConservativeParty.Amsure they would welcome it, but meantime this is just distraction from the topic of this thread.] End Quote

So we are back to "distraction" again lemongrove. There would seem to be those in this thread who when an argument cannot be answered resort to "distraction" to avoid balanced discussion.

Good night all.

whitewave Mon 02-Apr-18 22:29:09

The really sad thing is that good can come out of this discussion on the scourge in our society of hate toward “the other” but instead posters have chosen instead to attack the one individual who is the most ardent supporter of anti-racism in parliament. How perverse, how tragic.

durhamjen Mon 02-Apr-18 22:28:23

t.co/jsDz0adEiK

Good long list of Tory racism here.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 02-Apr-18 22:27:42

I have to agree with your earlier post whitewave. I have seen the debates on here descend to some pretty awful depths but this is the worst, most vitriolic and least balanced I have ever seen.

But then ... I suppose this is social media.

durhamjen Mon 02-Apr-18 22:25:09

Jacob Rees-Mogg's minder dressing up as a Nazi isn't important, is it?
More important than three Tory councillors being sacked for doing the same, I would have thought.

whitewave Mon 02-Apr-18 22:22:55

Quote from the academics letter with my comments in parentheses

“One of the main concepts on journalism education, (and developing a political debate) is that of framing: the highlighting of particular issues, and the avoidance of others, in order to produce a desired interpretation.
We have been reminded of the importance of framing when discussing the vast amount of media coverage when dealing with Jeremy Corbyn alleged failure to deal with anti-semitism within the Labour Party. On Sunday, three national newspapers led with the story whilst news bulletins led with the story all week. Dominant sections of the media have suggested that antisemitism is a problem mostly associated with the Labour Party, and that Corbyn is personally responsible for failing to deal with it. The coverage has relied on a handful of resources such as the Board of Deputies, the Jewish leadership Council and well known political opponents of Corbyn.
Yet there are Jews who support Corbyn, and welcome his long established anti-racist record.

Where are the pieces that look at the motivation behind Corbyn most vocal critics.
Where is the fuss about the rising tide of Antisemitism in Europe?
Where are the comments condemning the Conservative MEPs and their links to the racist right wing parties across Europe, as well as the reformist groups that trade on Antisemitism?”

(All this ahead of important political elections. The Tories have a lot to loose, they are pulling out all the stops)

lemongrove Mon 02-Apr-18 22:21:52

I should send it to The Mirror Grandad if you feel you have absolute proof of antisemitism at the top of the Conservative Party.Am sure they would welcome it, but meantime this is just distraction from the topic of this thread.
moon

Grandad1943 Mon 02-Apr-18 22:16:53

Lemongrove, in my post today @20:22 I believe I have very much demonstrated that racism very much exists at the very top of the Conservative/party.

If you wish, I will copy and post what i view as that strong evidence once again and then we can discuss in a balanced manner anti-Semitism across the political spectrum and the damage it is doing to our society.

durhamjen Mon 02-Apr-18 22:16:29

evolvepolitics.com/facebook-refuse-to-remove-post-from-tory-supporting-page-calling-for-jeremy-corbyn-to-be-assassinated/

durhamjen Mon 02-Apr-18 22:15:40

evolvepolitics.com/tory-activist-corbyn-anti-semitism/

Primrose65 Mon 02-Apr-18 22:12:20

lemon Nothing to see here indeed

Primrose65 Mon 02-Apr-18 22:05:54

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROVv578r4Bo

Nearly 2 years ago - Labour has an antisemitism problem and Corbyn is not dealing with it (on Newsnight)

Nothing has changed.

This is why Corbyn is criticised and why people do not have confidence in his leadership. It has nothing to do with democracy - what a ridiculous statement. The criticism of him has absolutely been within context - the context of doing nothing. The context of him ignoring the issue for years. The context of him being mates with anti-semites. Of stumbling into anti-semitic facebook groups. Of never looking closely at anything.

People think that a politician that can't even manage his personal Facebook account could manage to run the country. Good grief.

lemongrove Mon 02-Apr-18 22:00:59

Now you introduce Murdoch and conspiracy theories Grandad
No, as far as antisemitism is concerned there is no problem
With any Conservatives at the top, but if there ever is and it is brought out in the open then I hope that everybody will
Talk about it and criticise them.

lemongrove Mon 02-Apr-18 21:55:57

So wow indeed!

Grandad1943 Mon 02-Apr-18 21:55:00

Lemongrove, the Conservative party is very much in the frame, but the right wing press in the UK run by the likes of Murdock and others from their tax havens are using racism solely in the Labour party for their own commercial advantage. In that no doubt, if they can demonstrate they aided a Conservative victory at the next general election, rewards could follow for the likes of Murdock in being allowed to take over Sky News which is very much on his agenda.

lemongrove Mon 02-Apr-18 21:54:45

Your comments throughout the thread ww are ones of denial( of the ‘nothing to see here’ variety) you really appear to think it’s just political slurs and smears and that there is no problem at all.
I can’t understand why older people ( in particular) would be so naive and blinkered that they can’t accept their Party
Has a problem.

whitewave Mon 02-Apr-18 21:45:30

Wow lemon

whitewave Mon 02-Apr-18 21:44:34

Corbyn isn’t the victim, but democracy is.

“Where journalism (and the posts found on this thread) so blatantly lack context, perspective and a meaningful range of voices (balance) then it should be condemned”

It is both meaningless and hatefilled using an ill in society to achieve an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with racism whatsoever. If there was a serious discussion to be had about racism, it would bring historical perspective, and as we have asked to no response balance. It is shameful.

bmacca Mon 02-Apr-18 21:43:05

Primrose, so does that make everything they say untrue? I don't think so. Most of their members are Jewish and this is why they were set up:
www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/statement-of-principles_300.png

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