Corbyn's Elasticity

Your post would be amusing ww if it wasn’t so pathetic.

In all my years of posting on Gransnet, I have never ever seen such hatred, vitriol and misinformation such that has taken place on these threads.

This hatred is echoing what we are experiencing in the MSM and social media. Democracy is clearly under severe threat when an opposition leader is so badly vilified.

40 Academics have written an open letter to the press condemning the anti-Corbyn bias.

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Nobody is denying it exists elsewhere Grandad but no other leader or political party is in the frame about it at the moment other than Corbyn and the LP.
Why should it not be talked about on GN....it’s being talked about on every forum, newspaper, radio and tv.
Some deny it’s a problem and call it ‘smears’ others (you for one) say defensively ‘it’s not just Labour’ which misses the point that actually at this moment in time it is the LP that seems to have antisemitism woven through it.

Lemongrove, in regard to your post at 21:06 today, if you read my earlier post on the Conservative Bow Group in the House/of Commons you will see that racism is very near the top of T. Mays Conservative party.

bmacca You do realise that JVL has several members who have been suspended or expelled from the LP for anti-semitism, don't you? They are set up to refute claims of anti-semitism in the LP - that is their purpose. They're not Jewish!

Who has posted anything that's weaponised ww? I don't think Corbyn is the victim here, is he?

Here is some balance. Yes, the Labour Party needs to address any anti semitism but it is a minority
"As a percentage of all the posts and comments on 20 of the largest groups, 2000 represents less than 0.05% of the total content on these groups. This figure is based on the number of posts and comments on posts in my medium-sized group each day multiplied by the number of days the group has been in existence (2.7 years). A conservative estimate is that the total number of posts and comments across all 20 groups is 4 million. This means that 99.95% of content is not problematic in any way. Taking into account the antisemitic content identified was less than 2000 incidents, and therefore less than 0.05%, we can see that the claim that antisemitic messages are routine or rife on these groups could not be further from the truth".

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/social-media/the-truth-about-corbyn-supporters-facebook-groups/

Well stated White wave.

To weaponise anti-semitism and use it against a single figure is to not only to use a racial concept for a particular agenda, but it is to misunderstand exactly what has been taking place over the past few years in the UK. Race hatred, Islamaphobia and xenophobia has become widespread.

Primrose, I do believe I am very much on topic. Anti-semitism, racism and bigotry are around us everyday in life. In the workplace it can cause stress leading to accidents which can have a far greater impact on people's lives than any discussion on GN.

However, I accept that when discovered in large political organizations racism will bring about far greater interest than any workplace or street incident.

That stated, there are some in this thread that wish to make racism, anti-semitism and bigotry a football on behalf of one side of the political spectrum. What has happened in the Labour movement is wrong, but that same bigotry also exists and thrives in other political parties, and that should be acknowledged if a constructive discussion is to be had.

primrose your agenda is clear

Yep. Discussing Corbyn and the leadership team on a Corbyn thread.

There is no problem at the moment with T May engaging
In any form of antisemitism Grandad or of those close to her doing so, nor of Vince Cable or any other leader of a political party in the UK doing so, so you see this balance you speak of is just a distraction.
I understand that Corbyn supporters feel so uncomfortable with all this news coming out daily that they either seek to
Lash out elsewhere or deny it’s a problem at all, but reason must tell them that there is a very real problem and it’s not going away by pretending it doesn’t exist.

primrose your agenda is clear

Something that needs discussing

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Jalima I'm sure the nastiness is not helped by John McDonnell. His behaviour has really given the seal of approval to the culture in my opinion. When the shadow chancellor won't apologise 'because he felt angry' he's really condoning the hate speech on the internet and the bullying of MPs.
I think that has a lot to do with it.

An example of right wing racism

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Grandad, I feel that what you say is very pertinent to this thread.

After the first World War the allies humiliated Germany and blamed them for everything that had happened. This helped Hitler and helped to start WWII. At the end of that we learned that a re-education a better way to end the hatred. Yes Primrose that is what our country thought was a good thing and it worked not just for the Germans but for many of those who had learned to hate or mistrust the ordinary man or women who also lived through that war as a citizen of a country they soon had no control over.

However, if you are to educate people about racial and religious hatred you need to tell them about all racial and religious hatred.

This thread Jalima has already been "de-railed" if we are to believe your definition. As far as I know no one has accused Corbyn of being personally anti-Semitic and yet that is all we are hearing about.

No jalima it is the MSM that is making this issue worse.

Perhaps there's a way of bringing balance that stays on the topic Grandad, if you feel the discussion needs balance.

Tom London

To point out the FACT that anti-semitism is worse on the right than on the left is not whataboutery.

It is to point out that when all the attention is put on the left, there it’s another agenda at work it is not about anti-semitism.”

Exactly so

Yes indeed, whitewave, and this got me thinking the same thing this afternoon and hoping that this does not escalate into something like Oswald Moseley's movement - not Corbyn, obviously, but an under-current of extreme nastiness that seems to have permeated through some sections of his supporters, unfortunately. It also seems to include vile misogyny towards some women in the public eye.

Whatever happened to tolerance? Is the internet making all this worse?

That post was for GracesGran

Of course I have "an interest in the races and religions that have been/are being wiped out today, simply because of who they are"; why on earth would you think I haven't.

From the Independent ( for those who don't read links)
Crises that last this long do not easily go away. Not when they are as real, as serious, and as badly managed as this is
They can not be whatabouted their way out of

What no-one appears to be able to recognise or indeed to understand is that throughout history almost the whole of major anti-semitism action and incident had been carried out by the right. Figures show that at least three quarters of incidents in the UKare associated with and continues to be associated with the political right.
For those who are serious in looking at the issue, there needs to be struck a balance. Without that balance, how can the debate be worthwhile?