Corbyn's Elasticity

A post from a far left supporter has come to mind when someone disagreed with what was being said

But this thread is not about the Tory party or Rees Mogg being the next leader of the Tory party. It is about Corbyn the leader of the Labour Party. Bringing Rees Mogg into it is a diversion.

It could get confusing if we start discussing Rees Mogg - why not start another thread Grandad? Although I think there could have been one on him somewhere that could be revived.

ps just a tip - if you quote someone else's post you can use ^^ around the quote and it will appear in italics and makes it easier to show that it is a quote and not your own words.
You may not want to so ignore if you wish.

It would undoubtedly make for a mor intelligent debate if there was more balance. The conversation is stuck at the moment and repetitive.

I do not think that the electorate as a whole is ready for a radical change

If this country is to reverse the current loss of services, employment conditions and wages and end the housing crisis, then radical change in the eyes of many is required and in that once again it is the Labour movement that seeks to bring forward that change.
I agree that some changes are needed but I think that the electorate as a whole is ready for a radical change - although many could be ready for less radical but sensible changes.

Grandad, it's just the way the forum is organised. This is a thread about Corbyn. There's nothing to stop you from starting a 'racism within politics' thread if you think there is a benefit in discussing everything together. But that is not the subject of this thread. Corbyn is.

??Jalima1108 Sun 01-Apr-18 10:29:49


I take it you disagree with my post, Gracesgran, including this bit:
And I said there may be much to put right which you are somehow denying that I said. Today's problems are not those of the early 1900s and need a fresh approach from a forward-looking, not a backward-looking party.
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We may need a different approach altogether from what is happening now

Presumably because I do not think that Corbyn is the right person to do it.
Or that you think that everything is tickety-boo at the moment and there is nothing that needs putting right.

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I do not agree.

Also I would like to say , too many in the far left from those at the top to their supporters have their fingers in their ears, not sensible.

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Grandad, I think there's already some discussion about this on the Tory threads. It's just the way the conversations have been organised.] End Quote

Well, why not bring it all together in this thread for a balanced debate. It's called democracy, and long may it survive. All agree.

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And avoiding discussion of anti semitism in the Labour Party with claims Rees .Mogg will take us back to Downton Abbey is balance?] End Quote

Well, there are many rediculas statements in this thread and its previous ones on Jeremy Corbyn and what would happen in Britain if he becomes prime minister, so why not a few on the Conservative partys next leader??????

Grandad, I think there's already some discussion about this on the Tory threads. It's just the way the conversations have been organised.

Anniebach, everyone who has led a full real life has "skeletons in their closest". Therefore if you are to " dig up those bones on one person" why not on another.

I also think the "adventures" and statements of Rees-Mogg sits well in this thread alongside Jeremy Corbyn.

And avoiding discussion of anti semitism in the Labour Party with claims Rees .Mogg will take us back to Downton Abbey is balance?

And I find returning to the 1945 election then dismissing the defeat only five years later with - the tories continued with the labour governments policies ridiculous.

No diversion nigglynellie, just Ballance which in any free democratic discussion no one should be afraid of.

Another with fingers in ears , one way of ignoring the truth .

Why not have a thread dedicated to .Rees Mogg ?

Balance ? No, a diversion,

Hi niggly x

I honestly do not understand the defence of anti semitism in the Labour Party by declaring Rees Mogg may be leader of the Tory party

There is anti semitism in the Labour Party and the pathetic explanation for some being on the vile groups - I didn't read them or I didn't see it , nonsense .

nigglynellie, thanks for that, I should not have made that mistake as he is one of our local MPs with many stories surrounding him. (LOL)

So, you do not wish to see any "Ballance" in the thread Anniebach. With every respect, but I find that view ridiculous and making a farce of the thread.

Back to figures in ears then Anniebach, because I will keep posting in the same manner whenever I get time in regards to this discussion.

Granddad1943, forgive me but his name is JACOB Rees Mogg! William was his father! I agree with Annie, bringing him into this conversation is a diversion!

But this thread is not about the Tory party or Rees Mogg being the next leader of the Tory party. It is about Corbyn the leader of the Labour Party. Bringing Rees Mogg into it is a diversion.

Apologies, should be Mogg disassociated himself above.

While this thread constantly returns to the alleged anti-semitism of those surrounding Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps we should look at groups surrounding members of the Conservative party, particularly William Rees Mogg now heavily tipped to be its next leader.

It was only three years ago that he addressed the Traditional Britain Group annual dinner which is a far right organisation. In that, the organisation has demanded that Doreen Lawrence mother of the murdered black teenager Stephen Lawrence who was killed in a racist attack, along with “millions of others” be returned “to their natural homelands". Rees Moggdisassociated himself from the organisation when the racist statements emerged in the media, but not untill that event occurred which was several months after his address to the group

Rees-Mogg’s politics sit to the far right of the Conservative party, without doubt, if Cameron was a moderniser and May a traditionalist, Mogg would see us dragged back to the days of Downton Abbey and before.

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As for the trial by MSM suiting the agenda by some I could not agree more but sometimes without reading or hearing what the MSM uncovers or 'reminds' people of historic information things do not / will not come to light because a lot of people will be ignorant of the facts so they have a reason to exist. The listener / reader has a responsibility to not accept everything as Gospel from left or right leaning MSM but whether or not that point is understood is questionable because most people rely on them being told the truth by the MSM .

It is not only the MSM either is it?

Social Media sites are taking over from the MSM to a degree and they can be toxic in my opinion. For example links to overtly political sites by posters to try and make their own political point are no different, well actually they are probably ' far worse '. Those links are connecting posters to ' hyper-partisan ' sites which presumably the poster believes to be true as it complies with their own thought / beliefs . To be fair sometimes there are valid points made to be considered and I double check the information for reliance and honesty and I accept they have a point. However I find more than often they are nothing more than opinions, fake news or foul mouthed rants and the worst are the links to a site which is making unfounded accusations and could be said to be nothing more than ' trial by propaganda '.

As for your question 'what can be done about it' then it would help if people did not 'have their fingers in their ears' or ' close their eyes' to the proof provided by the words and deeds of the person themselves. If there is evidence available for you to watch and read of what a person has said /written /enacted then it is obviously that 'person' that must must take responsibility for their actions. They should be held up to account and if found to be anti-semetic /islamophobic/ racist/homophobic etc. etc. they should accept it is a case of ' being found out ' as to their true beliefs. What is not acceptable is to turn the situation around and blame the media or anybody else for their personal failings if and when the evidence is blindingly obvious.

Of course they could all have been 'On A Journey' as is the current phrase used when defending the indefensible .

As I said the charge of the rise of anti semitic behaviour in the party is not a new story but it in my opinion it does have a common denominator and that is Corbyn. The stories/allegations of the rise of anti semetic behaviour started at the time he became Leader . The stories / allegations were from Labour MP's , Universities etc. The MSM did it's job and reported those stories but the MSM did not put the words of those individuals into their mouths . The MSM did not tell anybody to behave as they do/did .

In my Close there are 8 properties. I know for a fact that 3 occupants have told the Labour Party where to put their cards, in no uncertain terms