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Corbyn's Elasticity

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Primrose65 Wed 28-Mar-18 21:23:27

A continuation of Momentum/Intertia/Magnetism.

Elastic? Plastic? Or at breaking point?

A thread for Corbyn lovers & haters

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 13:34:47

No comment on the link showing the demo st Labour HQ yesterday, how many more like Maureen Lipman have left the party because of anti semitism

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 13:32:19

And I watched on tv, Yvette Cooper and several MP's standing at the back of the hall whilst Corbyn made his speech, suppose SKY and BBC doctored the filming . I watched Corbyn being greeted by members of the communist party , so friendly.

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 13:25:46

I do trust the MP's I know who were there , party members who were there, one a lady age 86 who voted for Corbyn , I know these people and trust them, I also watched some happenings as they took place , face time is so useful

Primrose65 Mon 09-Apr-18 13:25:02

Dyffryn I suppose opinions can be gathered from anywhere, it's facts that are more interesting. Do you have a reliable source of news that isn't biased and is factual?

trisher Mon 09-Apr-18 13:23:05

Grandad1943 what a great post and a reminder of what trade unions were established and developed to do. Sometimes we only hear the negative things on here about what a threat they are. Thank you

Baggs Mon 09-Apr-18 13:10:48

Observer.

etc

Baggs Mon 09-Apr-18 13:10:15

New Statesman. New Scientist. Nature.

Right-wing? Really?

Baggs Mon 09-Apr-18 13:09:18

I suppose I'm asking what people mean by MSM? Perhaps they are only referring to what they judge to be right-wing MSM so are using the term rather loosely?

Baggs Mon 09-Apr-18 13:07:19

Dyffryn, are the Guardian and the Independent, among others, not main stream media? Wasn't the Mirror a traditionally Labour supporting paper and also MSM?

bmacca Mon 09-Apr-18 13:06:36

trisher, you are so right, it really isn't worth the time.
Any, please do not subscribe thoughts or actions to me, you can only state your own views

Grandad1943 Mon 09-Apr-18 12:54:50

It is a great shame that a thread such as this concentrates on one person in the Labour party when the wider Labour movement is about much more than any one single person.

I am this week tutoring/mentoring on an industrial safety course organized the Unite trade union. For the students involved in this for the full week, it will be a culmination of tuition which began in September last year. They have been encouraged in that by their union and in some cases the companies they work for to have studied throughout the winter while at home, in their workplaces, and on four full time weeklong courses with tests and examination at the conclusion of each.

Of the sixty eight who began studying last Autumn, we are now down to eighteen who will (if successful) Qualify for an NVQ stage five and in that will be allowed to become members of The Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (IOSH) Britains formost industrial safety body.

Although almost all of the sixty eight who started out on what for many of them was a difficult journey have ended up with NVQs at various levels, it is those which pass out here on Friday which will go on to be at the very forefront of industrial safety in the future.

I find all the foregoing a huge tribute to the United Kingdom's trade union movement and have personally always found it an honour to be involved. In that, to me and all of us involved in these courses each year, this is the Labour movement, and in that the Labour movement at its irreplaceable very best. That movement is not about Jeremy Corbyn or some members and MPs who feel their noses have been pushed out it is about better working conditions, better workplace health safety, better housing for those workers better wages and salaries in a more equal society.

In the above, let us not forget that Conservative governments since the 1980s have continuously attempted to destroy the trade unions with legislation, and Tony Blair and his cohorts did nothing to reverse that while holding office. However, through the commitment of the leadership and grassroots activists the trade unions have survived and continue to do the great work we are witnessing here this week.

And long may that continue.

Ilovecheese Mon 09-Apr-18 12:26:31

So, bmacca who did go to the conference"will not say what really happened there" because they are a Corbyn supporter.
Whereas Anniebach who didn't go to the conference knows what really happened, even though they weren't there.

trisher Mon 09-Apr-18 12:26:20

bmacca don't bother it's not worth it. Even if Annie wasn't there, even if it was nothing like she describes,no matter what happened, she will continue to demonise Labour and Corbyn. It's best to ignore it.

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 12:07:13

I think they are valid, you being a Corbyn supporter will not say what really happened there . Are you claiming there were concerns not allowed to be discussed at conference ? Are you claiming a group of Corbyn supporters were not brought into the hall replace seats always taken by MP's just before Corbyn's speech? Are you claiming Corbyn didn't attend several Momentum meetings and was greeted at the door by members of the communist party?

bmacca Mon 09-Apr-18 11:45:26

Anniebach, as you weren't there, I don't think your comments are valid

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 11:37:01

bmacca, no I didn't go to conference last year and it was exactly as I described , you being a Corbyn supporter would believe it was all love and fellowship, it was not.

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 11:31:55

Welcome to a Welsh poster Dyffryn

bmacca Mon 09-Apr-18 11:31:39

Anniebach, did you attend Conference last year? I did. It was nothing like you've described

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 11:31:18

What Corbyn says and what he does ?

Dyffryn Mon 09-Apr-18 11:28:46

Read quite a lot of this thread with interest. It’s a real shame that many posters get their opinions and facts from the right wing newspapers and increasingly the BBC. At our ages I would have thought that we would have realised by now how the truth is manipulated by the MSM. I think the policies put forward by Corbyn are caring unlike the policies we have had from the Tories since they came in power. Listen to some of Corbyn’s speeches and tell me what is scary about them.

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 10:57:44

This grassroots claim is nonsense. Anyone who has been to many party conferences over the years would see last years was a sham, rubbish to say Blair and Campbell controlled the party. The freedom to speak at conferences were taken away last year. Last year there were restrictions on what could be discussed , for Corbyn's big leader speech many MP's couldn't have a seat, some left the conference before he took to the platform. Momentum had a conference at the same time just down the road from the conference, the communist party were there too. No way can anyone honestly say there was freedom of speech at the conference last year , it so staged and so controlled by a few.

trisher Mon 09-Apr-18 10:41:25

If you applied that theory to the whole country we'd still be living as peasants under a feudal system.

lemongrove Mon 09-Apr-18 10:36:46

It could get to the stage though when there are too many Indians and not enough Chiefs! ( to turn the saying on it’s head.)

trisher Mon 09-Apr-18 10:34:25

POGS call it what you will -Labour membership, grass roots. It has taken over the party and there is evidence that the PLP would prefer it not to. Under Blair of course the PLP was dominated by Blair and his chief henchman Alistair Campbell. It seems to me that a change allowing a party to be governed by its membership is a great step forward, which is perhaps why party membership increased so much. And as I said there isn't that much diference in policies just a lot of name calling about people being 'far left'.

Anniebach Mon 09-Apr-18 08:46:21

Another demo yesterday, this time outside Labour HQ, ,

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/maureen-lipman-says-corbyn-made-12329757

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