Corbyn's Elasticity

Doesn't alter the fact Corbyn enjoyed his evening with this people , a man who wants to be PM is comfortable with f**k the queen , blow up Westminster, Israel is a steaming pile of sewage which needs to be properly disposed of.

Indefensible

Golly Primrose65 Talk about kettle calling the pot black! You have posted lots of criticism of a Jewish group which has provided, if you read about them, a place of safety for people whose views have not previously been listened to. You have dismissed them as 'anarchist' and 'extreme'. I suggest you consider why you think such a group has no right to exist and you may find it is because you have pre-conceptions of what Jews should believe and how they should behave and that is pure anti-semitism.
Freedom of speech is a right that should always be upheld whatever the origins or faith of the individuals concerned.

trisher, once again, I don't think you understand what antisemitism is. I'm not dismissing their views at all for a start. Creating yet another straw man argument about Jews supporting the establishment is not going to help the discussion. I'm saying that anarchists are extreme. It's got nothing to do with being Jewish and everything to do with being anarchists. I think most anarchists - of any religion, or no religion would think they have been dismissed by the mainstream. Most people are not anarchists. That is why they are extreme!
You seem to be framing everything around the context of them being Jewish. I don't think that's healthy at all. If you're a LP member, I'd really take up the offer of their antisemitism training.

I didn't say that at all trisher
as you know very well.

Primrose65 isn't it a bit anti-semitic to dismiss the views of a group of young Jews as extreme group again - and I'd consider an anarchist collective extreme
They have as much right to have their views listened to as any other group and arguably more so since they feel their views are being dismissed by main stream. Or are you saying all Jews must support the establishment and have no right to be heard otherwise? Now that is anti-semitic.
Jalima1108 I seem to remember there was a lot of comments about that event not being in any way wrong and the girls 'asking for it'. But isn't it a pity that a chant -which was probably made as a satirical comment is now being compared with a fund raising event where women were abused. Are you saying a Jewish group has no right to be satirical? Because that's anti-semitic as well!

I had forgotten that Jalima , all there were condemned

If you are at an event and some people get a bit rowdy does that mean everyone was?
that is a moot point trisher because everyone who attended that notorious charity dinner where some men behaved badly towards the women employees were all tarred with the same brush and their names published as if they were all behaving in an unacceptable and sleazy manner.
According to some on GN, anyway, they were all guilty by association.

There could be a thread listing all who are tipped to be the next leader of the Tory party.

Meanwhile back to this thread , Corbyn's Elasticity.

I agree .primrose, it is not just Corbyn, anti semitism does seem to be rife at the top of the Labour Party, Corbyn has succeeded , as I said he would, in destroying a party which once stood for much that is decent in society.

Grandad there have been at least two threads on Rees-Mogg, one went on for a few pages, the other fell by the wayside.
Perhaps he's not such a serious threat or not as interesting as some people would like to think.

Jalima1108, Jacob Rees-Mogg is a prominent Conservative back bench MP who is being tipped as the possible next leader of that party.

Therefore, should it not be brought to the attention of the wider public what his attitudes may be in realation to racism and ethnic stability, especially when members of alterative parties are having their attitudes to the same discussed.

Absolutely, Grandad, that's why it is a pity that this salient point is lost in this thread. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own - or perhaps the idea of Jacob R-M becoming PM has sailed out of the window along with the goose he cooked for himself.

I agree Annie. The problem is made more complex as it's not just Corbyn. From the Telegraph

At least three representatives of Labour’s governing body have been criticised by Jewish groups, including one who shared a platform with an activist who claimed “Zionists” were behind the 9/11 terror attack.

They include Darren Williams, a campaigns officer for the Public and Commercial Services Union, who recently liked a social media post on Twitter which claimed a group of Jewish activists were creating “conspiracies” about anti-Semitism.

The second, Claudia Webbe, a former adviser to Ken Livingstone, claimed the former London mayor’s suspension from Labour in 2005 for comparing a Jewish reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard “smacked in the face of true democracy”.

In addition, Momentum activist Yasmine Dar, who was recently elected to the NEC, last year attended a pro-Iran rally in which she shared a platform with an activist who claimed Zionists were responsible for 9/11.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/06/labour-mps-urge-jeremy-corbyn-clean-governing-body-defended

It's made me wonder if Labour is now the natural home for extremist views and conspiracy theorists.

Exactly Primrose, Corbyn passed it off as spending the evening and listening to young Jews , his move to communicate with the Jewish community ,he has heaped more insults onto the Jewish communities throughout the country.

Having fun and being boisterous isn't the issue - that's a straw man argument.
Choosing to support an extreme group again - and I'd consider an anarchist collective extreme - instead of trying to engage more mainstream groups is the issue.

You will continue to defend them Trisher, as expected,

It was chanted by a few people at the event Primrose
You could try reading about people who have joined Jewdas
Discovering the Jewdas community thus felt liberating. A place in which I and others like me could mutually explore the complexities of our identities safe from judgment. After many nights spent in books and online archives piecing together amazing facets of lesser-known Jewish history that had just barely survived the physical destructions of European and Middle Eastern Jewry, here was a community of people that celebrated these histories.

It went further than mere celebration. Jewdas is a movement that actively lives our diaspora heritage. Be it through the organising of Jewish and Arab musicians performing Andalusian Muwashahat music, performances of Yiddish poetry and music to help fund the restoration of an old synagogue in Whitechapel, celebrating the victory over the Blackshirt fascists at Cable Street or even setting up a language school teaching diaspora languages to help fund education for refugees.

Full text www.opendemocracy.net/uk/rob-abrams/when-i-found-antisemitism-on-left-jewdas-were-there-for-me

any chant which starts with 'Please God' and ends with 'Amen' is a prayer is it not ?

You cannot defend this Trisher , Corbyn heard these words , there is no defence .

So what was it trisher? I don't really care how something is described, whether it's a prayer, a chant, a recital. It's the content that matters more than the description, but it's obviously pretty important to you. How should it be described?

It wasn't a "Prayer" Annie it seems you have yet another block in your understanding. I have read all sorts of things that aren't true, perhaps you need to start examining your sources a bit more.
I've been to quite a lot of things where some people have got a bit boisterous (weddings for example) and I have had a lovely time.

No comment that Corbyn heard those words at his enjoyable evening ? There's a surprise - not

Just so Trisher
I thought HIGNFY last night was one of the best for a long while. At last some of the BBC is standing up to the bias.
Do you listen to Feedback on Radio 4, you can get it on the iPlayer. They are getting loads of messages from the public objecting to the way the news is presented. But despite requests no-one from the BBC hierarchy will come and explain.
I watch Channel 4 news now

I read the entire prayer and what they were heard shouting was the same words I listed, they are in the prayer, that it wasn't said it was a prayer doesn't matter, what matters is they said these things and they said them when Corbyn was with them. This answers the question - did Corbyn know , he did and spoke of the enjoyable evening, he listened to what the young had to say . And now the BBC has confirmed what was said that evening.

Except Annie they didn't describe it as a "prayer" as you do. They said some of those present chanted "Fuck the etc". Which is a bit different isn't it? If you are at an event and some people get a bit rowdy does that mean everyone was?
The comment about the cenotaph and Gerry Adams was particularly unfortunate I thought given the fragility of the NI Agreement.

I'd agree lemon The 'real enemy' seems to be Labour centrists. It feels like it's totally normal now. No one apart from Corbyn can be right about anything. Sometimes even just quoting what he actually said or did is called a smear. The nastiness does seem to be pretty frequent too - the LP are the nasty party now imo.

HIGNFY was interesting last night, they quoted snippets of the prayer I quoted snippets of. Stand by for - the BBC are right wing ?

Corbyn's kinder politics has dragged the party down, bullying, lies, hypocricy is the Corbyn's kinder politics

It’s ironic really, that in the last few years, since Corbyn took over the leadership promising a kinder gentler way of doing politics, that the LP has been inflicting wounds on it’s own side far more than on the Tory side!
The nastiness from far left activists in hounding moderate councillors, and the invective showered on moderate LP MP’s has risen to alarming levels.