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Out of touch with what ordinary Scots feel about the Donald?

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Elegran Thu 26-Apr-18 16:41:39

" . . the heads of British conservative think tanks the Bow Group, Bruges Group, Parliament Street and the Freedom Association, as well as the chairman of Republicans Overseas Scotland and a contributor to ThinkScotland." wrote to Donald Trump to tell him that "the political and media establishment in London was "far out of touch" with the feelings of ordinary people outside the capital, many of whom they said "strongly support" his leadership." and urge him to meet the Queen in Scotland instead - "Your ancestral homeland of Scotland represents a powerful bond between you and Britain, and given the nature of the climate in London, it is a superior destination."

"Scotland and the North of England also offer a variety of locations where you would be able to speak directly to ordinary British people and witness the true level of support that exists for you and the special relationship between the US and the UK."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43908976#

Do they have any notion of how Trump is rated by the Scots, who have seen him in action? What makes them imagine that the level of support north of the border is any higher than in London? Or do they not give a damn, frankly my dear, so long as they can deflect him to visit some other part of the UK?

Jangran99 Sat 28-Apr-18 11:16:18

"not a single Gransnetter" Granny23 ?
On what do you base that statement?
Just asking......

Nanny41 Sat 28-Apr-18 11:14:18

Cant stand the man to be honest, but one can respect his office, he is the President of the United States ,even if we cant respect the man himself.
Hope its peaceful when he descends on London.

Baggs Sat 28-Apr-18 11:04:02

False use of 'racist'. Rude, perhaps, if you don't think it's a joke, but not racist.

Westiegran Sat 28-Apr-18 10:59:56

Lillyflower.... would you like to tell me on what grounds you base that comment?
As a Scot who has travelled, lived in England for a time and is also married to an Englishman, me and my Scottish accent have welcomed wherever I go.
I ind your comment racist in the extreme ?

Baggs Sat 28-Apr-18 10:59:19

I'd heard of the Bow Group and the Bruges Group, g23. Don't know anything about them but I had heard of them ?

Lilyflower Sat 28-Apr-18 10:50:36

I thought the Scots hated everyone regardless...?

Granny23 Sat 28-Apr-18 10:44:51

Before every election/referendum, I read all the manifestos and invariably find I few things in each with which I agree. I may even find a couple of things in the manifesto of my preferred Party that I don't agree with smile

I do wonder why this lot can be classed as a LEADING think tank when not a single Gransnetter had ever heard of them until this week.

Grampie Sat 28-Apr-18 10:43:10

We all understand that Trump can be disgusting but I’m waiting to see what the newly unified Koreans think of him.

And let’s not bother asking the Syrians who were not gassed.

Westiegran Sat 28-Apr-18 10:34:53

As a born and bred Scot I feel insulted that it has been suggested that the people of Scotland would welcome him ?. The man in is rascist (fact) he is a MCP with no respect whatsoever for women (fact). Are we considered such a backward country that we have no opinion on these subjects?
My English husband, who lives in Scotland, is also of the same opinion. As for him being respected because he is the American president.......... respect should be earned not automatically given because of a person’s station in life.

Many years ago I refused a cleric into my house. He was shocked at me ‘refusing a man of God into my home’. My very controlled reply was that God was well and truly in my house and more than welcome and that I was refusing him, as a man. His, very public, type of hatred and bitterness would never be welcome in my home.
I never once regretted that decision nor did I let it colour the view of my religion. There is good and bad in all walks of life and it is up to each individual to stand up to hatred, bigotry and bullies no matter at their position.
I dreaded telling my dear Mother, who was an extremely religious person, of what I had done but when I did but tell her I did. She put her arms round me and told me she was very proud of me and wished more people in the parish would do the same instead of talking against him in whispered conversations.
We must stand up to bullies and bigots. For too long now we have kowtowed into what is perceived as ‘doing the right thing’.

Baggs Sat 28-Apr-18 09:46:51

It may still be a leading think tank even if it's not one you approve of, jaycee. In which case the BBC is not being innaccurate.

Baggs Sat 28-Apr-18 09:45:36

I should add that they are not extreme in any way but very kind and helpful people.

Baggs Sat 28-Apr-18 09:44:52

Shortly after Trump was elected POTUS, two "ordinary Scots" that I know expressed approval of some of the policies he was putting forward.

Jaycee5 Sat 28-Apr-18 09:44:05

The BBC is often including 'a leading think tank says ... ' in its news items but rarely explains who is actually behind these think tanks and they are always right wing. They report their pronouncements as if they are important news rather than just another word for lobby groups.

Purplepoppies Sat 28-Apr-18 09:35:16

Paddyann I'm in total agreement with you. He was definitely disliked intensely well before he was elected (although I'm still scratching my head at that one!!).
He has such a sense of entitlement to match his narcissistic personality that never in his life has he seen his actions as wrong, whether it was bullying people in Scotland to suit his need to build Trumpton or sexually abuse women & boast about it. I cannot take his seriously as a political leader but sadly as such the UK DO have to deal with and 'entertain' this misogynist halfwit. I will not be joining in with any protests, I wouldn't want to feed his ego.

patriciageegee Sat 28-Apr-18 09:22:18

'Rent-a-mob' jennifereccles? Really? People who have grave, passionate concerns about serious issues and are brave enough to put their heads above the parapet to exercise their democratic right to protest are dismissed by you as Rent-a-mobs? Tolpuddle martyrs? The Jarrow boys?

wildswan16 Fri 27-Apr-18 14:05:53

I agree that everybody I know (Scotland) is very unhappy about Trump's behaviour. He comes across as exactly the sort of individual that most of us dislike, and his treatment of individuals while building his golf course was appalling. Even Alex Salmond, who isn't my favourite person, eventually decided he was more of a troublemaker than Scotland wanted.

I hope he is ignored - that would bother him a lot more than thousands of protesters.

Jane10 Fri 27-Apr-18 13:31:28

I go out and about and meet lots of people in the course of life in Scotland. I've never once met a single person who had a good word to say about Trump.
I'm for completely ignoring his visit. He's highly likely to re brand any protesters as 'a wonderful show of support' for his bombastic self. Grrrrrangry

JenniferEccles Fri 27-Apr-18 12:44:03

All the negative comments have been repeated many , many times about Donald Trump.

We all know his shortcomings but but but..... he IS the President of the United States, our ally, so I don't think raucous demonstrations, by the 'rent-a-mob' protesters is in our best interests.

After all, the Queen has entertained many despotic world leaders in the past, with appalling human rights records who are far far worse than Trump.

We need this relationship with the US, but of course your average red faced angry 'man (and woman) in the street'
protester wouldn't think of that when the herd mentality comes into play.

Fennel Fri 27-Apr-18 12:39:11

I too followed the story of the hostility over his bullying behaviour when he was planning the golf course. I think he should get more hostility in Scotland than in England.
But why was he able to buy up all that precious Scottish land anyway?

Caledonai14 Fri 27-Apr-18 11:58:41

As many of the comments show, Scottish dislike of Donald Trump stems from his actions and failings here well before he became president.

I now think the thing about meeting the Queen in a palace or castle anywhere-but-London is a cynical attempt by Tory politicians to shield him from protest. It's unthinkable that anyone would form part of a chanting crowd or even turn their back on the Queen.

There are echos of the rush to get troops on the ground in Iraq to the extent that many of them were badly equipped and supplied. Commentators later alleged the Blair government believed all UK protest would stop once Brit troops were on the ground because we'd all get behind our soldiers. Hence the haste.

The Tory think tanks' uninformed message about ordinary folk in Scotland and the north of England supporting Trump and wanting to meet him was aimed solely at Trump because he has said he won't come if there are protests.

And he does have some support among Scottish windfarm protestors and groups with the same interests as his businesses, or which benefit from his spending on advertising and promotion, for example.

However, the tanks' ignorance of Trump's bullish record in Scotland would be comical if it were not sad. And no matter how quietly and politely dignified we choose to be, it is likely to be an expensive nightmare for local police, whether in Windsor or Scotland.

paddyann Fri 27-Apr-18 08:54:25

he has treated people disgracefully here ,one elderly woman in particular who has denied access to water....because he wants her land .Sorry gillybob but that sort of behaviour doesn't merit "respect" not for the man and not for his office where he is still promoting his businesses from despite it being against the rules .
IF he shows some signs of being a decent human being I might rethink it but for now,he's not welcome here .I'll join the protest ..turning our backs on trump works for me ...and I'll turn my back on all right wing politicians who are intent on using Scotland for their own ends .

gillybob Fri 27-Apr-18 08:33:10

Okay BlueBelle . I don’t think the extended hand (north/South Korea) was that of friendship, more out of a need to promote peaceful relations between the two countries and indeed the rest of the world.

As I said earlier, no need to like the man (or even stop hating him) but just to respect the office and promote continued peaceful relations.

BlueBelle Fri 27-Apr-18 08:25:28

Never gillybob I cant forgive many of the things he has said or done I don’t want to extend my hand of friendship to a narcissistic racist who is probably the most dangerous person in the world because of his ignorance and total lack of insight or compassion
As for the Korean ‘friendship’ call me cynical but I somehow think there is something dodgy behind that hand of friendship
Anyone who is so dispassionate about this visit has obviously not realised what he stands for

Elegran Fri 27-Apr-18 08:16:36

Does that mean that the previous posts are from "ordinary people outside the capital, many of whom they said "strongly support" his leadership. - because I have yet to meet one of those rare birds. Plenty of people respect the office but don't "strongly support" the leadership of this man and strongly object to some of the things he has promoted.

Would you all respect the office of PM of Westminster enough to keep silent about the things that he/she stands for which you don't approve of?

gillybob Fri 27-Apr-18 08:02:20

Despot not depot (silly me) .

Yes Jangran my thoughts exactly. We should respect the office. Whether we care for the man himself is besides the point.