Out of touch with what ordinary Scots feel about the Donald?

Exactly * Eloethan* less nationalism would be a step forward towards a better more peaceful world.

I doubt that all the Scottish-haters reside in Westminster, or that all the English-haters reside in Edinburgh. There are nasty, stupid people everywhere, but I think we should remember that they are in the minority.

We shouldn't let hate-filled, resentful people turn us against each other. In my view, nationalism partly exacerbates this sort of thinking, which is why I'm not keen on flag-waving and proclamations of pride and superioty.

Well said Paddyann. The list of inventions and contributions made to the world by the Scottish Is enormous.

Westiegran I got dogs abuse when I pointed some on this forum to the vile abuse Andy Murray got after winning Wimbledon...even some saying he should have died at Dunblane .English hatred of the scots is well documented ,especially now with the internet .Sure there are always a few eejits who hate the other side and thats to be expected but some comments make my blood boil and I have loads of English relatives including a GD ...so I am in no way anti English..just anti Westminster .Its the supposition that we are too wee ,too poor ,too stupid to run our own affairs when the Scots have been instrumental in the very foundations of the modern world.Even Churchill said it ,and I'm not a fan of his nor him of us .Dont let the small minded chase you away .No one told me we had to be union flag waving ,royalty loving and speak with an english accent before we could join .So keep me company please .

I've no doubt Trump will claim it.

I'd be more convinced about the nuclear peace accord if the North Koreans were being shown the happy pictures and news we've all been seeing over the last few days.

I acknowledge it may be difficult for northerners to accept sudden peace breaking out with the wicked USA when the missile programme as been the highlight of their heavilly controlled news agenda for so long.

Suppose it wouldn't be anything to do with newspaper reports that the last missile NK fired has left the launch pad unstable and unuseable for all time?

Or perhaps the fact that the Chinese told Kim to get a grip?

Let's assume the best.

Still, we'd all feel a bit safer if Trump's Tweet equipment got confiscated, broken or dropped down a toilet and left unuseable for all time.

I notice that Trump has been credited with being instrumental in the apparent lessening of hostilities between N and S Korea. Obviously it's very early days, so anything could happen, but it is thought Trump's tough stance with Kim Jong Un brought this about.

If it's true then this is a massive achievement, and regardless of what is thought of him as an individual, it should be acknowledged.

I think gillybob that if you read up on the subject you will find that the US economy started to recover in the summer of 2009. Barack Obama was six months into his presidency and desperate for some good economic news. The US had just suffered its deepest post-war recession, unemployment was heading for 10% and Washington had been forced to bail out the banks.

But in June of that year, the US economy turned the corner. A recovery began that has continued uninterrupted ever since. This momentum has nothing to do with Trump, though doubtless he will claim the credit, and everything to do with the Obama years.

There is serious worry that the measures introduced by Trump will soon see a slow down or even worse. The signs are there to read.

I don't agree with some of the pro-Trump comments above, but it is interesting to read the opinions of others and to feel safe to argue against them.

Nobody should feel they want to leave the forum because of another person's attitude or beliefs. I thought the comment about Scots hating everyone was meant as a joke and if not - well - we'd be in deep doodoo on the tourism front for a start if it was even remotely true.

Please stay Westiegran. I know what you mean about comments upsetting you and I am learning that sometimes on Gransnet I have to sit on my hands to stop typing a tart reply or two, but I'd hate to think anyone left because of things said by people who may just be stirring the pot (in a way that they wouldn't do if we were all sitting next to each other in the pub).

I'm not saying racism shouldn't be challenged at every stage and I agree that it is sometimes difficult to tell where joshing ends and offence starts.

Well said Eloethan.

Westiegran Why on earth would you leave Gransnet because of the ridiculous comments of quizqeen?

Along with Scottish people, she had a go at Obama, Mexican people and Irish people, and only had words of total support for Trump and his bloody wall.

I do think some English people are prejudiced about Scottish people. Likewise, I think some Scottish people are prejudiced about English people. In both cases, I think these are the sort of people who love to hate and who will have many irrational prejudices - but they are a very small minority.

The fact that someone can support a man who has made disgusting comments about women, Mexicans, African countries, refugees, etc. etc. etc. tells you something about their mentality. So just ignore them - don't let people like that win by removing your voice from Gransnet but align yourself with the many people on here who totally reject such hate-filled remarks.

So if a Scot abusing the English is racist, an Englishman/woman abusing the Scots is also racist. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

I agree with Westiegran This is just one headline from a Scottish newspaper and I'm sure there have been more -

"Scotland fan jailed after shouting racist anti-English abuse at TV during Auld Enemy clash"

Ooo I do hope so floradora9!

We were lucky enough to go to the Commonweath Games in Edinburgh many years ago . The games had been in financial trouble and Maxwell ( of stealing the pensions and drowning himself fame ) was given a ride in a VIP car after the royal party as he help with finance . As he came round the arena a low hiss was heard everywhere. no shouting , no banners just a loud hiss . The Donald will get the same .

Here's some information on that, I'd forgotten about:
uk.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-meeting-queen-awkward-diana-kate-2017-1

I find it impossible to imagine him meeting the Queen. Nor Phillip. Will he have to bow to her, and exit backwards?
I wonder what he thinks of royalty in general?

And meanwhile America’s economy is booming .

I cannot believe it that anyone could have something good to say about Trump. He’s a farce!

He’s obviously too stupid to realise how stupid he is. He can barely string a sentence together coherently. He has all the charm of a 2-year old stuck at the tantrum stage and has never progressed beyond adolescence in his sexual fantasies and attitude to women.

He’s a bully, a liar, an egotistic and probably a narcissist too.

What’s to like?

Years ago we watched a BBC documentary about how Donald Trump went about getting his golf course in Scotland built. He used intimidating and criminal tactics and threatened the local community if they objected to his plans. I could go on. The man is a bastard. A friend of the Scots...I don’t think so!

There's been a lot of posts regarding respect the office rather than the man but it's the man himself who brings the most ridicule and disrespect to the Presidency of the US with his buffoonery, inane tweets and totally un-statesman like demeanor. And as for him being fairly elected - two words Cambridge Analytica

According to the Press and Journal, a daily in the north of Scotland, the Tory MP whose area takes in Balmoral has said Donald Trump has visited the north-east on many occasions and contributes to the economy. Tory Andrew Bowie says Mr Trump would be welcome as any visitor is, but Mr Bowie seems not to know the history.

A Lib Dem MSP, Mike Rumbles, is quoted as saying that, while people are entitled to support Mr Trump if they wish, the Royal Family should not be drawn into this.

And Labour MSP Lewis Macdonald is quoted as saying Mr Trump has shredded his own reputation in Scotland just as much as he has done in London.

Mr Macdonald talks about "lonely voices on the far fringes of British politics, who are no more qualified to invite Donald John Trump to Scotland than they are to inflict his company on Her Majesty The Queen".

I think that's a good point. The President of the United States is invited to Britain to confer with the British Prime Minister on a number of national and international issues. But what's wrong with Chequers if they are worried about security for that political - not State - meeting?

And before issuing their letter about switching to Scotland, the tanks should have done a bit more "thinking" and research into how that man has behaved towards the Scots.

Baggs, Macron behaved in a dignified way by ignoring what Trump had done, but I bet inside he wasn't happy

Oh, I agree of course. I just don't think Macron needs anyone to get agitated on his behalf.

Baggs, Macron behaved in a dignified way by ignoring what Trump had done, but I bet inside he wasn't happy, I certainly wouldn't have been! Trump just seems to look down on anybody and everybody. And am I the only one who thinks all this holding hands is a bit strange between grown adults who are not in some kind of a relationship with the other adult. My hubby holds my hand when we are out walking, but if he started holding one of his friends hands I would be getting a bit concerned. And before anyone jumps in about me being possibly homophobic, I mean about hand holding in a completely non sexual way.

Beeb's

If you don't think the BBC is a reputable news source, don't go there for news.

Those think tanks are, presumably, googleable. And they are still think tanks whatever anyone thinks about their thinking. Surely a news source can quote what think tanks of any kind of thinking are saying and remain reputable?

Beebs' supposed to be impartial anyhow.