Regret it Brexit?

MaizieD "Just enough 'slight' truth in it for gullible Leavers to take it at face value."

You just cannot resist going for the person and not the ball can you? Comments like "Gullible Leavers" really Maizie this is becoming so boring. You trot this and other insulting remarks out hoping that someone will believe it. I think the standard of debate on News and Politics on Gransnet proves that none of us, remain or leave voters are gullible. Unless you know something that we don't!

MaizieD Wed 23-May-18 00:04:37
"You ask why I believe your "joke" 'stamp issue" is not a joke?
No I didn't. I asked why you said I was wrong.
As far as I'm concerned parodies and satires are forms of jokes. They're meant to make you laugh as well as think."

First you simply asked :MaizieD Tue 22-May-18 22:32:58
"Yes. Why?"
You did not ask why I said you were wrong.
You said:As far as I'm concerned parodies and satires are forms of jokes. They're meant to make you laugh as well as think.

Your wrong.

Donaldson and Callif Atorneys professional article:

Often your clients confuse three different and distinct concepts – parody, satire, and jokes. Here is a simple way to clarify this for your clients. A parody is an imitation a work that comments directly on the work and therefore is allowed to take quite a bit from the work that is the subject of the comment. A satire comments on some broad aspect of society. Often, it is evaluated liberally under the fair use doctrine. Neither one has to do with humor. A joke is all about getting a laugh and gets no special break under copyright law

A parody has general latitude under copyright law to take from another work because a parody must comment on the work that is being parodied, so people must recognize the underlying work in order to recognize what the parody is commenting on.
The clearest definition of a parody is the following:
1. A new, copyrightable work,
2. Based on a previously copyrighted work,
3. To such an extent that the previous work is clearly recognizable,
4. But not taking more from the copyrighted work than is necessary,
5. That criticizes or comments on, at least in part, the subject matter or style of the previous work, and
6. Is not likely to hurt the value of the previous work.
Humor is absolutely not a requirement.

www.donaldsoncallif.com/filmmaker-lee-storey-wins-irs-case-on-all-counts/

In our discussion about “the joke stamp” as you described it, the stamp is the parody the content of the stamp is the satire. There is no joke.

The Fake News element is "New Brexit stamps to be issued tomorrow." Not a big lie, but enough to warrant my comment, fully realising of course that it was not real, hence Fake!

MaizieD Re: what you call a "Joke Stamp". What a waste of our time even bothering to discuss it, simply because, you go for the person not the ball. However, the time has been well spent if you have learned something from it.

Meanwhile some interest news
EU talks with Australia and New Zealand deal blow to UK free trade plans
Bloc could end up on better terms with the Commonwealth nations after Brexit than UK

Meanwhile some interest news

Sorry about the thread diversion, Geri. Unfortunately our very new resident cannot resist the urge to put everyone right at great length. And do a bit of patronising into the bargain...

You just cannot resist going for the person and not the ball can you?

You make it very difficult to resist...

I am with Maizie on this one. The joke about the stamps has been doing the rounds for several months - I have seen it on a number of sites -nowhere has anyone suggested it was anything except a joke.

There is a big difference between jokes and fake news - one is intended to make people have a laugh or a smile the other is not - it is intended to mislead people.

Allygran1: For what it is worth, from one who has been around a while, off and on, I think it is better not to get drawn in by off-hand comments and insults unless absolutely necessary. They are less frequent now than a year ago but some contributors still find it easier and more fun to attack a stereotype than engage in constructive discussion. It is no surprise to be attacked for patronizing by a partronizing comment, just as it is commonplace to be treated as a stereotype by people you would like to think avoid using stereotypes elsewhere. The Remain Referendum propaganda was ineffective in winning a majority but sadly, it has left an impression that we, as a nation, a split into the virtuous and the rest. As in all large groups, there are the good, the bad and the ugly and, mostly, a cocktail of all the above. Anyway, as I reach for my hard hat, good luck on Gransnet!

Cinco thank you so much for your advice and along with others who have gone through the mill, your support.
There are times when I do try to ignore outrageous comments presented as fact and personal insults as an aside most of the time, however there are times when I just can't restrain myself with these negative and 'off-hand" insults, and the arrogance that goes with it.

It seems to me that the moral high ground, that I and others I have seen in post exchanges take when being attacked, is so often mistaken as a place of weakness. Every now and then I like to say it isn't, but sadly then, one has to, with some restraint and a degree of knowledge, enter the realm of the lower levels of debate and defence.

I will learn and thank you once again for your post. Your experiences and other that have been so supportive is much appreciated and has been taken on-board.

I voted out.

I would not vote differently.

I am angry at how it's being handled.

Only someone with absolutely no sense of humour would see this as “fake news” rather than as a joke granny23.

In our discussion about “the joke stamp” as you described it, the stamp is the parody the content of the stamp is the satire. There is no joke.

The Fake News element is "New Brexit stamps to be issued tomorrow." Not a big lie, but enough to warrant my comment, fully realising of course that it was not real, hence Fake!

Well most people would recognise it as a joke.

Definition of joke in English by Oxford Dictionaries
en.oxforddictionaries.com › joke
Definition of joke - a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.

Mostly- "Definition of joke - a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline."

I refer you to your definition of "Joke" above.
Thank you for this confirmation that the definition of the so called "joke stamp" is still:
The stamp is the parody the content of the stamp is the satire. There is no joke.

Well if people prefer to believe an obscure Hollywood lawyer’s definitions of a joke rather than the official Oxford English Dictionary definition that’s ok with me. (Do Americans understand the British sense of humour anyway?)

I am a Brexit voter and I adore Nigel Farage but I thought the stamps were funny even the Nigel one.

Enough...please, what has this nonsense (stupid stamps and continued personal digs) got to do with what ís a serious subject.

Thank you Joelsnan. Full agreement. No intention of answering any more of this nonsense.

Cunco yep, spot on!
Insults have become the norm from angry Remainers on GN.Unfortunately.
Joelsnan the answer to your question is that it makes posters who hapened to vote Remain feel virtuous and clever.Can’t think why!

Plenty of insults from Brexiteers btw, not all one way.

Many Remainers are nervous too, wondering if the EU will endure.

When I voted Leave the mutterings across Europe regarding the unpopularity of Brussels control was something I considered. I did not want the UK tied to a vessel full of holes and in danger of sinking.

I’m wondering if the U.K. will endure. Brexit is threatening to split it apart. But Brexiteers don’t seem concerned about that!

Brexit ISNT splitting the UK apart mostly harmless. That's part of the deceitful Remainer monologue.

Remainers, who lost in the Referendum paint that picture. They have to justify their whining. and their relentless moaning.

Project Fear wants there to be a rift. The only rift that exists is caused by Remainers refusing to except the result and squealing that the UK cannot leave the EU. It's quite pathetic.

The Brussels powers are also playing hard ball, which is to be expected, but they cannot rest on their laurels whilst much of the continent is angry with EU control and diktats. It's a simmering cauldron.

No intention of answering any more of this nonsense.

I hope that's not Fake News...

Well I for one don’t know enough to be so confident as you Day6, no one knows, the vote was taken on wishes , half truths, suppositions, it was an emotional vote. Who in there right mind votes on such a serious far reaching decision with a blindfold on, the whole thing was ludicrous.