Now Sajid Javid suffers racist abuse from Corbyn supporters.

Well said, smileless.

trisher, I quote you: "So lemongrove you don't accept that the mistreatment of women in Yarls Wood is racist"

Your emphasis on Yarls Wood was racism. What you said (see above) implies the women were/are mistreated because of racism.

My response was that they are there because they are deemed to be illegal immigrants. If they shouldn't be detained because they are asylum seekers, that is a separate issue from your emphasis on racism. The whole emphasis of the post from which that quote is taken was, yes, you guessed it, racism.

I agree smileless,

Smileless2012 how many white women do you supose are imprisoned in Yarls Wood? And that is not the opinion of black women
A dossier compiled by the Black Women’s Rape Action Project (BWRAP) brought together powerful testimony about a culture of racism and abuse at Yarl’s Wood from 2005 to 2015. Cristel Amiss, from the organisation, said: “There have been consistent reports of the same atrocious treatment – ranging from racist abuse to allegations of rape and sexual abuse and there’s been a systematic cover-up of this both by Serco, which runs the centre, and the government, which gives Serco the contract
So institutionalised and racist policies established and supported by this government.

These poor women have been abused because they're women. Yes they're at the mercy of those running and working at Yarls Wood because they've been detained while their status is confirmed.

It is appalling that this has been happening and so many have been detained unnecessarily, but their abuse isn't because of their race, it's because of their gender.

Baggs I commented about the mistreatment of women at Yarls Wood and not about their detention. Although it is perhaps significant that a substantial number are released without charge and not deported- after a substantial period in prison of course.
The chief inspector said the fact that two-thirds of the women at the removal centre were released after a period of detention rather than deported “raised questions about the justification for detention in the first place”.

He renewed his predecessor’s call for a strict time limit, saying when the inspection took place, 15 detainees had been held for between six months and a year, and one had recently been held in detention for more than three years.

But Clarke chose to highlight his concerns about the detention of women despite professional evidence of torture, rape and trafficking.
Nothing to do with racism of course!

Immigrants will be of different races surely and can result does not mean will result

Fear of immigrants of different races can result in racism though.

Good you accept it is fear not racism .

But, as I’ve said before, in the bigger cities where immigration is highest, there was a large majority voting Remain. It’s the rural areas - which are less affected by immigration - that voted Leave.
So people who live among and work among immigrants are not worried about the effects of immigrants taking their jobs or their housing. They know the reality.
It’s fear of the unknown in more rural areas. (Scotland has different issues).

I said at the time of the referendum and still say it, people fear migration , not because they are racist but they fear losing jobs, housing, their community. We need to understand their fears not condemn them as racist.

The areas of the country that seem to want less immigration seem usually to be the areas that do not have many migrants.
We are an ageing population and we need young people, most immigrants are young, we need them.
The target to bring immigration number down to the tens of thousands is unreasonable and unworkable.
We should be creating a welcoming environment not a hostile environment.
We should also be accepting more refugees, not talking about them as "a swarm" or similar.

If the terms racism and racist are used indiscriminately, which I think they are to some extent, they become ineffective in pushing change because they don't mean anything worth worrying about.

My point being that illegal immigrants don't all come from different 'races'.

Many in this country want less migrants , are they racist trisher?

Unless one argues that detaining any illegal immigrants is racist then it doesn't follow that the women at Yarl's Wood detention centre (or any other detention centre for illegal immigrants) are being kept there on the basis of racism.

And I'm not sure that the premise above ("detaining illegal immigrants is racist") is reasonable.

As you say annie and lemon, labour should have stormed through these elections. To say that the Tory party is racist is just pathetic! All party's will have their racists, of that there is no doubt. Difference is if Mrs May were to be confronted with the sort of abuse the Jewish community are being subjected to by Tory supporters, I can almost guarantee that those supporters would be roundly condemned and told in no uncertain terms that there is no place for them in the party, regardless of votes. I'm sure JC is not a racist but my word he's weak! I find it so hard and sad to believe that this sort of hatred exists towards anyone simply because of who they are, and that includes the Royal Family. All those Jewish children being rescued (a safe haven) all those years ago from almost certain death! Well they'd think twice now - how sad is that?

So lemongrove you don't accept that the mistreatment of women in Yarls Wood is racist? That the huge numbers of the Windrush generation who suffered and have not yet been recompensed aren't evidence of racism, that blocking visas for the Indian doctors recruited by the NHS and desperately needed isn't racist? One wonders what a government has to do to be considered racist. It seems racism on this thread only consists of name calling and terms of abuse, any racist actions are happily accepted.

Here's a question:

What would be wrong (as in morally, logically or otherwise) in having a target of deporting 100% of illegal immigrants?

Net migration is now more than twice her target and rising - and she has finally been forced to admit her target is ‘unlikely’

Nothing to do with the unexpected floods of migrants crossing the Mediterranean over which she (and others) had no control! [sarcasm emoji]

I do not believe this government is racist

. No use just criticising the faults of a government, lets hear what Labour would do, free musical instruments and free school meals is not the answer, neither is racing around declaring - I feel you pain.

no one knows where Corbyn stands re brexit, he is still on the frence, has always wanted out but chooses to say so for fear of losing support of remainders , refuses to offer a second referendum for fear of losing support of leavers.

Yvette Cooper, the shadow Home Secretary, said: “Theresa May has finally admitted her net migration target is in tatters yet she still won't take responsibility for it.

“The Prime Minister promised ‘no ifs no buts’ to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands, and Theresa May has spent four years claiming she was on track.

“Net migration is now more than twice her target and rising - and she has finally been forced to admit her target is ‘unlikely’. Continually making and breaking grand promises on immigration is only undermining confidence in the entire system.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-failing-to-reach-immigration-cut-target-admits-home-secretary-theresa-may-9878077.html

Ironic really, for Yvette Cooper to challenge the "targets"

Wasn't it Yvette Cooper who tackled Theresa May a few years ago about failing to reach the numbers on immigration?

Or am I misremembering?

"So the key to good government is - Create an unholy mess that subjects people to real discrimination, lie to Parliament about things, then send in a new face to clear things up that should never have happened in the first place!!
Result great acclamation from all!!! Who knew?"

Yes it was a mess - but it is being dealt with, unlike the anti-semitism within the Labour party. Corbyn failed to denounce those who, claiming to be Labour supporters, racially abused Sajid Javid. I don't believe Corbyn is racist at all however I do think he is showing weakness in not robustly dealing with the racism within his own party

It’s not ‘ a very real fact’ at all that this government is racist, and to say so trisher smacks of desperation.
Labour has certainly done badly in some areas with council elections, it wasn’t the landslide they had hoped for.
After austerity cuts you would have thought Labour would have stormed through, but they haven’t, just like they didn’t at the GE last year.
His supporters won’t accept this but Corbyn himself is the problem.Yes, he has massively increased the membership
But not enthused the voters.
He is a weak leader who has allowed himself to become a puppet of Momentum, and like minded people, who have actually caused most centre left voters to shun him.