Now Sajid Javid suffers racist abuse from Corbyn supporters.

The Concervative party has been treating the Windrush generation as illegal immigrants since this government came to power with its "targets" and found these persons fitted as soft pickings into those targets.

Undoubtedly it accounts for why Gales whole attitude in the interview was aggressive, abusive and offhanded, as these Tories realize they have now been "caught out" in their profoundly racist policies.

Conflating the Windrush scandal with illegal immigration is certainly wrong.

Javid was reporting what was on his twitter, no one in the house used derogatory language towards him so the Speaker wasn't involved
I meant when Diane Abbott was trying to speak in the H of C.

Sorry Jalima I now realise you were responding to mostly harmless, not my post

Javid was reporting what was on his twitter, no one in the house used derogatory language towards him so the Speaker wasn't involved

Jalima, I'm not sure that the people who use offensive/derogatory/racist language really give it much thought - they just seem to lash out. It must be very hurtful though for whoever it is being directed at and of course very extreme views can lead to things like the murder of Jo Cox. I assume that Javid was upset by being called a "coconut" because it was one of the messages he highlighted

Where was the Speaker?

I don’t blame KGM for seeing as racist! Gale’s whole rant was racist in tone and equated immigrants with illegal. Sajid Javid agrees.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid has condemned Tory MPs who conflate the Windrush scandal with illegal immigration.

It came after two Tory MPs interrupted Labour’s Diane Abbott in the first three minutes of her speech on the scandal, to ask questions about illegal immigration.

behavior thought to be characteristic of middle-class white society, at the expense of his or her ethnic heritage.
But class is very apparent in Indian culture, Arab culture etc. Have Indigenous Australians sold out now because they are MPs, in public life?
Should people be concerned about those things or regard race as irrelevant unless someone is overtly and nastily racist and bigoted? Should it be the first assumption if one criticises someone of a different race, or is it being used as a first defence when, in fact, other issues may be being referred to and criticised?

I'm not sure what Gale meant when he said "people like you" but it would seem that the presenter perceived the comment as racist which is I guess why he picked him up on it.

That sounds very old-fashioned indeed.

Anyway, he is still in touch with his heritage and his family.

Why do you think KGM's race was what Gale was referring to rather than his profession, mh?

If you read the transcript critically, race is quite clearly irrelevant.

Jalima, it is viewed as an offensive/derogatory term by black people, as meaning someone who is regarded as having adopted the attitudes, values, and behavior thought to be characteristic of middle-class white society, at the expense of his or her ethnic heritage.

Addressing an Asian as “people like you” in the middle of a rant about illegal immigrants is not racist?

mh - is that not a racist thought? Assuming that someone meant it to be a racist comment rather than one directed at journalists?

If someone was upset with the paparazzi and shouted at them 'I am sick of people like you' and one was black would that be a racist comment or one directed against the paparazzi?

As terrible as the treatment of the Windrush Generation is, what does it have to do with the racial abuse directed at Sajid Javid?

Bringing illegal immigration into any discussion about the Windrush Generation scandal only serves to muddy the waters. They aren't here illegally.

Instead of calling for TM's resignation wouldn't it be better to allow her and her government to right the wrongs that have had such a devastating effect on these peoples lives?

The term 'coconut' was often used by some to abuse non whites who for example, joined the police force when non whites were being openly recruited.

Well, if he was ranting to a journalist then maybe not.

Perhaps people are too quick to think 'racism' before other categories.

Addressing an Asian as “people like you” in the middle of a rant about illegal immigrants is not racist?

Am I to understand, then, that people who are referred to as 'coconuts' are abused because they probably do not see 'colour' at all and have just integrated into society as a whole, as Sajid Javid has?

Surely that should be the ideal to which we should all aspire?

The transcript suggests to me that KGM was being obtuse.

It's quite hard not to get irritated with obtuseness.

I agree Baggs

Gale was saying that illegal immigration causes problems and that he thinks people like Krishnan Guru-Murthy, interviewers, TV news people, are not facing up to that.

You don't have to agree with what he was saying to accept that it isn't racist towards KGM or anyone else.

Which Gale makes perfectly clear later saying he doesn't care less what colour, class or creed KGM is.

"Reporter types" is not racist.

Gale's manner may have been unpleasant but he hasn't said anything racist in that transcript. From the transcript is looks as though KGM is "playing the race card" which I find surprising. I'm puzzled as to why he thinks Gale was being racist. And I'd get annoyed with someone who did that too.

From the info I have it looks to me as if Gale was making a valid point (whether one agrees with it is irrelevant for the purpose of this post) and KGM was twisting it into something it wasn't.

Okay, I've read further now.

^"The fact of the matter is that the illegal migrants and those that traffic them cause misery they lead to in some cases modern slavery and they damage the cause of legal migrants.
"And it's time that people like you understood that."^

I don't see anything wrong with this. The "people like you" phrase is referring to media types like KGM. It has nothing to do with his race. Not at that point anyway.

in which he referred to Channel Four presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy as "people like you".

This doesn't make sense. You can't refer to one person as "people like you".

This is the transcript if you want to read it baggs.
But you can’t hear the aggressive tone and manner of Gale without viewing it. Very unpleasant sneering.

^HomeNewsPoliticsIllegal immigrants
Tory MP refers to Krishnan Guru-Murthy as 'people like you' in 'toxic' immigration interview
Veteran Conservative Sir Roger Gale had come on Channel Four News to talk about the problems facing the Windrush generation with Labour's Chuka Umunna^

ByNicola BartlettPolitical Correspondent

TORY MP REFERS TO KRISHNAM GURU MURPHY AS "PEOPLE LIKE YOU"

A Tory MP has given an awkward interview on immigration in which he referred to Channel Four presenter Krishnan Guru-Murthy as "people like you".

Sir Roger Gale appeared on Channel Four News last night to talk about the problems facing the Windrush generation with Labour's Chuka Umunna.

But the veteran Tory insisted on talking about the problems of illegal immigrants - regardless of the fact that the people who came to the UK in the post war period are British citizens.

And he accused Krishnan Guru-Murthy of not wanting to talk about illegal immigration.

Sir Roger Gale and Chuka Umunna clashed over immigration
Sir Roger said: "I have a significant number of legal migrants in my constituency, they work in the hospitals, they work in old people's homes, they work on the land, they make a significant contribution to the community, they are legal migrants."

Mr Guru-Murthy asked: "Why do you see them as legal migrants?"

But Sir Roger replied: "You've had your say let me have mine. I understand that you don't want to talk about illegal migrants.

"The fact of the matter is that the illegal migrants and those that traffic them cause misery they lead to in some cases modern slavery and they damage the cause of legal migrants.

"And it's time that people like you understood that."

Mr Guru-Murthy replied: "What do you mean by people like me?"

Sir Roger replied: "I mean precisely what you said because you told me you didn't want to talk about it.

Mr Guru-Murthy asked again: "I'm not sure what you mean by people like me."

Sir Roger answered: "I mean people like you as a television reporter."

"It's not because I'm Asian, is it?" Mr Guru-Murthy asked.

"I couldn't care less what colour, class or creed you are," Sir Roger replied