Did you see it ...no ?

it did pop up on my news app earlier.
So yes.

Are you Scottish Jane10?

Possibly a more privileged one, Jane10, where you aren't worried by the bedroom tax or the DWP assessments and sanctions or the need for food banks.

If you, or yours, are coping with those and happy that all is fair then I'm sorry for my mistake.

It used to be the case that if the Party of Independence won more than 50% of the Scottish Seats at a GE then they had the right to declare an Independent Nation. When this did happen that right was denied.
Granny23 I've never heard of that right before now. Where can I find the source of that interesting claim?

campaigners for No (including Ruth Davidson and David Cameron) stated that the only way to be sure of staying in the EU was to vote No.That was untrue and they were misleading voters.

farnorth, I honestly don't think they deliberately misled people on that score. I think they genuinely believed what they were saying to be true. I have a feeling that if Cameron had foreseen the result of the EU ref he would never have called it. He was certain Remain would win.

Politics is funny stuff.

Possibly you live in a much nicer one Jane10 with happier
Citizens.

As I said, I sometimes think I live in a completely different Scotland than SNP devotees.

Yes Paddyann, I saw it and read about it on the BBC. I did not feel it lacked coverage.

One can't help being proud about passionate, peaceful demonstration, especially the sight of all those Saltires.

Like some others here, I'm proud of what Scotland is like today and I know we will miss the EU funding in so many areas.

Indyref was billed as a once-in-a-lifetime vote unless things changed and being dragged messily out of the EU is certainly a substantial change I would welcome a say on in future as I am quite ashamed at the way it is being handled in my name with no chance to hold anyone to account.

I do clearly remember being told a yes vote for independence would result in Scotland coming out of the EU ... some of my younger relatives voted no on that issue alone because they realised their opportunities and earning capacity would be squeezed.

The only thing against independence right now would be the Westminster government's attitude to Europe which is that we don't want to be in your club, but we want the benefits and we take umbrage at anything you do to protect the interests of all 27 loyal club members including Ireland (whose joint peaceful interests with NI we conventiently forgot all about and are now trying to fudge).

With that attitude, I suspect they'd have made life for independent Scots as difficult as possible in ....far worse than anything the EU is doing to the UK, or Spain is doing to Catalonia.

Independence will come. Sensible Scots are not going to want to be dominated by a Londoncentric party which thinks foodbanks, cruel sanctions, the bedroom clause and the rape clause make any kind of legislative sense unless you want to be a Victorian.

We just have to be a wee bitty patient while they get caught in their own knots.

No doubt about it the EU referendum was a big mistake but no excuse to rerun another Scottish one.

At the time it was true and said in good faith. No one was more shocked than D.C. when it turned out differently. You're right though, people in all walks of life should be careful what they promise as circumstances can dictate otherwise and in this case did.

I understood that Jane10.
My point was that campaigners for No (including Ruth Davidson and David Cameron) stated that the only way to be sure of staying in the EU was to vote No.
That was untrue and they were misleading voters.

My question was - Did you not feel peeved at being misled in that way?

FarNorth as I said I was not pleased that the EU referendum didn't go they way I would have preferred. However, that's democracy and its better than any of the alternatives.
I sometimes think I live in a different Scotland from the one the SNP raves about!

I saw the march reported on BBC. Although many people joined various marches, they are still in the minority.
The referendum showed a clear result 4 years ago and should therefore be respected as democratic. There is no good reason for another referendum for many years.
I love Scotland and would be terribly sad if it left the U.K.

PS - just returned from a coach and ferry trip down the Western Isles. Everywhere, we saw fabulous new schools, many with a community wing and sports facilities, including swimming pools. All had a wee plaque testifying to the EU funding which financed them. The older school buildings have been re-purposed as nursery schools, community hubs and in one case a Hotel!

Every harbour now has a floating pontoon with moorings for visiting yachts and cabin cruisers. Even this early in the season these were being well used, with consequent input to the local economy via mooring fees and tourist spend. The pontoons have been funded by the SG as have the Road Tariff Equivalent ferry and air fares. New build houses on every croft and a general air of prosperity, such a change since I last did the tour around 15 years ago.

I thought Salmond lost his seat in 2017,

Jane10, didn't you feel a bit peeved that your vote to remain in the UK was also supposed to ensure that Scotland remained in the EU (as proclaimed by many No politicians, including David Cameron) but it actually ended up meaning Leave the EU?

Granny23 My lovely country could never survive on its own and the thought of living within the ruin that independence would cause is not something I care to witness. We were told that our oil would sustain Scotland as an independent country, not only were the numbers falsified at that time, we have now seen the absolute decline in Aberdeen because of the oil, we still have no answers about currency....no longer able to use the £ and the EU have stated on more than one occasion that the € would not be an automatic option. I could go on, but as those before me have said, we were told by both Alex Salmond & Nicola Sturgeon that this was a once in a lifetime vote, the decision was made by the people and that decision should be respected.

I don't understand why, to SNP supporters, no somehow doesn't mean no.
Referendums are horribly divisive. Those on the losing side whine on and try to come up for reasons to reverse the decision.
I respect democracy. I voted to remain in the UK and also to remain in the EU. I accept that I didn't get what I wanted re EU membership but I sucked it up. That's life!

liljan I'm genuinely puzzled by your stance, which I have heard umpteen times, but never heard an explanation of what would be so terrible about an independent Scottish Nation that you would be forced to relocate. Where would you go?

I also do not understand the aversion to another referendum. If you have little interest or already know how you will vote, you can simply ignore the campaigning and vote on the day or by post. I am surprised that the Liberals are calling for a 2nd vote on Brexit, once the 'deal' is known and are strongly pressing for support from the SNP and Greens to this end, yet remain totally opposed to a 2nd Indy ref when circumstances have changed dramatically. The Liberals are a pro-EU Party and the only hope for Scotland to remain in the EU (which 62% of voters in Scotland wanted), is to leave the Union.

Please don't start the 'Spain would veto the application' mantra, etc. etc. The rest of the EU would LOVE to have Scotland still IN. Think Oil and Fishing Quotas, not to mention a simple move of financial business HQ's from London to Edinburgh rather than Dublin.

Think I might start referring to hamster-syndrome.

Glad it's not just me going ffuxake!

Good one, niggles!

FGS, not this again! Scotland had a ' Once in a lifetime' referendum four years ago and vote NO to independence. Maybe the life of a Hampster is four years, but a human being?!!!!

The people of Scotland have spoken, only the SNP refuse to accept their decision. I am a proud Scot, but I am also proud to be British and should Scotland become an Independent Country, I will be the first to leave.

Alex Salmond was not voted out - he resigned and was replaced by Nicola Sturgeon.

At the following year's GE the SNP swept the board winning all but 3 of Westminster seats. It used to be the case that if the Party of Independence won more than 50% of the Scottish Seats at a GE then they had the right to declare an Independent Nation. When this did happen that right was denied.

It is now obvious that Westminster has reneged on the promises made in THE VOW which was designed to encourage a NO vote.

There is a majority for Independence in the Scottish Parliament -SNP + Greens

Voters in Scotland voted 62% to Remain in the EU. Brexit is the 'material change' which allows for a 2nd Independence referendum.

Opinion Polls consistently show support for Independence simmering just below 50%, with a slow but increasing upward trend as the electorate see the shambles of the Brexit negotiations.