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Did you see it ...no ?

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paddyann Sun 06-May-18 00:58:36

I'm not surprised,the MSM rarely shows whats really happening on our streets ..especially Scottish streets .Yesterday there was a March for Independence ..ALL UNDER ONE BANNER .Through Glasgow streets .estimates range from 60,000 to the police estimate of 91,000,Of course IF you only watch TV news or read the mainstream news you wont have seen it .So when Ruth says theres no interest in Indy anymore keep THIS in mind .This march was peaceful ..no trouble at all according to the police..the unionists who tried to cause trouble ..all 12 of them with their union flags and nazi salutes were ignored by the marchers and surrounded by police.There are 4 more marches scheduled throughout Scotland in the next few weeks .I dare say you wont hear anything about them either .

varian Fri 11-May-18 16:19:16

Thanks Granny23. I was honestly quite surprised to find that, in spite of the dreadful brexit vote, which should have helped the SNP, they seemed to be more unpopular.

Granny23 Fri 11-May-18 15:19:18

My post was for Varian and was meant to be in italics blush.

Jane 10 I do not post facts and figures for your benefit rather for others with an open mind. It is usual to back up opinions with information from other sources. otherwise it IS just your opinion. Whilst it is undoubtedly true that there are SOME people who are fed up with the SNP, you cannot claim that it is all people, when the SNP still attract the largest share of votes in Scotland.

Jane10 Fri 11-May-18 13:14:06

Do you enjoy writing in bold Granny23 or is it just more SNP shouting?
There's a colossal amount of facts and figures showing what a poor job SNP are making of running Scotland and how increasingly unpopular they are. There's no need to post links as its easy enough to find this info anywhere.
Your loyalty is admirable though.

Granny23 Fri 11-May-18 09:23:35

From the BBC:
The Herald's six-month sales figure was 32,141 - unlike The Scotsman it does not give away multiple copies which boost the headline circulation figure. This compares to around 34,300 in the previous six months and 37,000 in the equivalent period a year earlier.The Sunday Herald dropped from 29,000 to 25,000. It sold an average of 32,200 in the second half of 2014.Unlike the other papers though, it has recorded lower figures before. In late 2013, the Sunday Herald's circulation fell to below 24,000 but it received a boost after it became the only mainstream newspaper to back Scottish independence.

Jalima1108 Thu 10-May-18 19:43:00

Do not watch if of a sensitive disposition.
well, I haven't opened it and I can assure you, if it is as nasty as intimated, he is not representative of anyone I know.

Jane10 Thu 10-May-18 18:42:33

Think the Herald is just reflecting the views of its readers. People are just sick of SNP.

Granny23 Thu 10-May-18 18:29:16

Varian The Herald used to be my Newspaper of choice, especially after the Scotsman, which was a Liberal paper became a Labour Mouthpiece. The Herald became a Unionist paper years ago but oddly, the Sunday Herald was pro Independence, but has kinda lost that bias since the referendum.

gillybob Thu 10-May-18 18:17:49

I can’t honestly say I’m familiar with any of the Scottish newspapers Granny23 and I’m not on FB.

I hate these big mouths who claim to speak for everyone so def won’t be opening the link. As you know Granny23 I love Scotland but don’t like fierce patriotism which I find can become quite nasty sometimes .

varian Thu 10-May-18 18:15:15

Granny23 I am surprised you say that all Scottish papers (except the "National" ) are unionist. I seem to remember that in 2014 The Herald was quite pro-SNP. Has it changed or have I misremembered ?(always possible these days)

Granny23 Thu 10-May-18 18:09:22

No Gillybob. All the Scottish Newspapers (with the exception of The National) are firmly Unionist, highly critical of the Scottish Government, seldom so of Westminster. It is their unmoderated comments sections which make my blood boil, with many posts denigrating Scotland in general and making highly offensive comments about our First Minister. Many of these posters do not live in Scotland but seem to get their kicks from posting this drivel on a daily basis.

gillybob Thu 10-May-18 17:57:46

Not at all FarNorth , Granny23 particularly said they appeared in the Scottish press and Scottish Facebook pages.

FarNorth Thu 10-May-18 17:46:20

I would take from that, gillybob, that some English people are trying to sever or harm those relationships.
(Also not having looked at the link, but using my imagination.)

gillybob Thu 10-May-18 17:09:24

So are some Scottish people and Scottish newspapers deliberately trying to sever or harm relationships between Scotland and England ? It would seem so.

Granny23 Thu 10-May-18 17:03:53

Just to illustrate the kind of thing that Paddyann talks about and turns up regularly on Scottish face book pages and the comments sections of Scottish Newspapers. I understand perfectly that these 'people' are not your average man in the street, but not every Scot is as understanding, some take these things very personally. It certainly does nothing to foster good relations between our two nations.

gillybob Thu 10-May-18 15:12:06

I haven't opened the link Granny23 as I can imagine what it might contain (given your warning).

What I can't understand though, is if you "don't think for a moment that this man is representative of the English people in general* why post it? confused

Granny23 Thu 10-May-18 14:47:57

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=56&v=YtXCfeqQRxo.

Before anyone suggests otherwise, I do not for a moment think this man is representative of English People in General. Do not watch if of a sensitive disposition.

Jalima1108 Wed 09-May-18 20:07:57

Ooh, only just found this and have to go out now, but will try to look tomorrow, therefore posting to bump this.

Granny23 Wed 09-May-18 15:40:51

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQdkyggLrsc.

This one is for Jalima and anyone else who seriously wants to understand the background.

Granny23 Tue 08-May-18 21:13:44

bellacaledonia.org.uk/2018/05/07/thousands-attended-millions-didnt/

Granny23 Tue 08-May-18 21:13:09

Warning! This is a long one, but it does give a different perspective on the March.

Jalima1108 Tue 08-May-18 19:35:00

They could not see that the economy would thrive.
bad grammar!
They could not see how the economy would thrive which worried them immensely.

Jalima1108 Tue 08-May-18 19:33:38

Our relatives were very apprehensive about work prospects both for him (a few years off retirement) and children and grandchildren if the referendum had gone the other way. They could not see that the economy would thrive.

Anyway, it is all academic - at least for a generation.

varian Tue 08-May-18 18:55:53

I agree Jalima having just returned from two weeks travelling round Scotland where we spoke to many old friends and relations and other folk, the only people who were still talking up the separatist agenda were cousins of mine and cousins of my OH who are paid up members of the nationalist party.

There is a huge amount of resentment against the SNP and their mismanagement many of so many aspects of life in Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon may not be responsible for all the corruption and mismanagement but she is certainly getting the blame.

Jalima1108 Tue 08-May-18 18:09:08

the unionists who tried to cause trouble ..all 12 of them with their union flags and nazi salutes were ignored by the marchers and surrounded by police.
They sound more like far-right thugs than any unionist I know paddyann.

Interestingly, we were discussing this at the weekend with visitors from Scotland (so we missed the news as the tv didn't go on at all over the weekend) - and they are very much against independence and said most people they know feel the same.

Granny23 Tue 08-May-18 17:32:51

Varian you set me off on an interesting google search where I found this:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-no-campaign-receives-1m-more-in-campaign-donations-than-yes-9735514.html

and also the Electoral Comission's full reports of income and expenditure at www.electoralcomission.org.uk

This shows that BetterTogether received over £1,00,000 more in donations than the YES campaign. The Weirs donated £500.000 each which was less than one third of the YES donations, whereas JK Rowling and a Ms Joanne Murray (who she?) both donated £1,000,000 to BT.

I remember that SNP Branches were instructed that they could not donate any Branch funds to the YES campaign, but members could organise fundraising events and collections with the proceeds being donated directly to YES HQ.