Conservatives and Pendle Council

granddad, some find one word sums up theirs thoughts and have no need to write an epistle.

I do not believe the entire Labour Party is anti Semitic and I do not believe the entire Conservative party is racist.

It cannot be compared to the antisemitism within the LP and particularly within the LP activists, simply because there are many instances of that, and this vile joke by a Conservative councillor was a one off

Sorry to disabuse you of this comfortable notion,*lemon*, but racism appears to be endemic among tory councillors

This is a list of tory councillors who have been suspended in the last 30 days. Kudos to the local party for suspending them but one can't help suspecting, in the light of the current row, that had it meant losing control of a council the suspensions might not have happened

nyebevannews.co.uk/here-is-a-full-list-of-the-18-tory-councillors-and-candidates-who-have-been-suspended-for-racism-and-abuse-in-the-last-30-days-alone/

I've just noticed the comments about it being a year ago- how long did people go back into Jeremy Corbyn's Facebook account to find a group and comment about a work of art to back up assertions of anti-semitism? And this joke isn't mildly racist, or the sort of racist someone might misunderstand, it is vile. It is so openly racist it is difficult to understand that anyone could find it funny. Trying to imagine the sort of person the joke might have come from is horrific.

Certainly not a one-off, if on the extreme end of nastiness. It’s prolonged use of rose-coloured spectacles to think otherwise

lemon are you seriously suggesting that this example of racist behaviour is a one off in the Tory party? There have been numerous examples of racism and I for one also remember Zac ‘non dom ‘ Goldsmith and his filthy racist campaign against SK.

But party activists do not stand for the party necessarily lemongrove so their views may be abhorrent but they hold no positions and no authority. This woman is an elected councillor, the public face of a party and she has been reinstated. Either those that reinstated her did so because they care more for power than for the good name of the party or they consider her joke to be of little consequence and therefore dismiss racism within the party. Either way this particular branch of the Conservative party is flawed and needs to be dealt with. But none of you who have mae such fuss about the Labour Party seem willing to accept this.

So, Grandad you are on holiday but still posting on here
What do you want, applause?
A Bank Holiday for most women ( you are not one obviously) means visiting family, or visitors to your own home and less time for sitting looking at comments on social media...... and a good thing too!
I did pop on here earlier and just had time for a quick comment on a couple of threads, this being one of them.
I can’t imagine any GN members thinking well of this woman for re posting a horrible message, if she represented any political party as a councillor it would be equally wrong.
She should never have been reinstated in my view.
As the matter was dealt with last year, it could well be that it has to be upheld, (I am not a member of any political party, nor do I know how these things are managed at local council level) or even if the PM has the power to say that ‘she has to go’.
It cannot be compared to the antisemitism within the LP and particularly within the LP activists, simply because there are many instances of that, and this vile joke by a Conservative councillor was a one off. I hope that particular council will be watching her in the future for any lapses.

T'hanks Oldwoman70 .

Grandad said "I was referring to those who so offten state on this forum that they are Labour party supporters or even members of the party "

He doesn't seem to acknowledge that people from all sides of the political spectrum are condemning the action of the local Conservative party. As a Tory I feel it strange that I am the one defending the Labour supporters on GN

trisher, I agree with your post at 18.42 today. Of course she should have remained suspended pending a thorough investigation. That would have ensured the fact she lied was identified. "diversity training" - hah! Not good enough. No one should need diversity training to help them understand racist 'jokes' like the one she shared.
I'm not surprised TM hasn't said anything. She'll be keeping her head down and hoping it all goes away. That's the likely outcome sadly. The issue with allegations of anti semitism in the LP is that it's been a drip drip drip feed of horrible comments, fb posts and concerns from the wider Jewish community. Plus of course the DM is so good at publicising any concerns about JC's leadership.

The point is not the expressions of disgust on GN- which are great, but the lack of expressions of disgust, indeed the lack of any real action or comment from the Conservative party. She was suspended-good. Was there an investigation? If there had been the fact that she lied would surely have come up. She has had some "diversity training" what sort of training. She was welcomed back to the Tory fold. I hope someone has exmined her facebook account and removed any of her racist friends. And still TM says nothing!

Grandad as a Tory voter I have expressed my disgust and disapproval of this councillor, it seems you don't wish to acknowledge the fact that everyone who has posted, whether Tory or Labour, has expressed their disapproval of the actions of this councillor and the local Conservative group.

grandad several Labour voters or left leaning posters on here (as well as right leaning posters) have already “strongly” expressed their shock and dismay at the behaviour of this Tory councillor.
Brandon Lewis congratulated the Tory council for winning. And he later defended her saying she’d made a mistake!
A Conservative Party spokesman said it was a local matter that was dealt with locally BBC online.
“Mistakes” like this indicate an ingrained habit of casual racism.

Grandad, I think we all have!

You're right he did; but why do it in the first place?! being sorry doesn't make it alright which as an educated intelligent man, LA well knows!!

trisher the only condemnation of Lord Adonis on the other thread has come from nigglynellie and myself.

nigglynellie, I was referring to those who so offten state on this forum that they are Labour party supporters or even members of the party.

Those who have not claimed the above I am not refurring to, but I still would have thought they would have wished to have "strongly stateded" their utter and total disgust of this incident occuring in Tory party in more than a one line and few words post.

Fair enough!

But I will say he deleted the joke. She shared hers and then lied about it..

This thread is about a Conservative councillor. There is another thread where Lord Adonis is being discussed. It really isn't fair to expect him to have 2.

No condemnation of Lord Adonis then?!!
Grandad, Bully for you to be so dedicated, but it may come as a surprise for you to learn that some of us on here are not labour party supporters and not trade union members, so don't take kindly to being lectured about what we should or should not be doing or thinking on a bank holiday or any other time come to that.

The point is that many posters on another thread expected Jeremy Corbyn to speak out publicly about racist comments by Labour supporters, but no-one has posted anything asking why Theresa May has not condemned this councillor and her 'joke". This isn't a supporter, but a member of the party an elected councillor and a key member of Pendle council, shouldn't TM have said something about her?

Grandad's post has helped me understand "whataboutery". Genuinely, I didn't get it but now, I do.

Grandad Did you miss my post at 12.26? I will and do condemn racism in any form - I don't care which political party or group it comes from.

It wasn't a tweet lemongrove it was on facebook. Now the only people who can send you things on facebook are people you have accepted as friends- unlike Twitter where anyone can follow you. So whoever sent the original 'joke'thought that this councillor would appreciate it. Which she did because she shared it. Then when found out she lied about the whole thing. And now she's back helping the Conservatives to control Pendle. I can't help thinking that this has parallels with the government when it did not have a majority in Parliament so bribed the Unionists to support them. It seems the Conservative party will accept anyone in order to stay in power.