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Just how representative is Boris of the average UK citizen?

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mcem Mon 07-May-18 18:41:35

Boris now announces his support for Trump to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize! Not in my name!

Situpstraight Mon 07-May-18 19:03:20

If he fixes Iran and North Korea crises.

Best to put the rest of the headline.

Not saying I agree with him though.

paddyann Mon 07-May-18 19:09:58

he hasn't "fixed" anything ,America is largely responsible for the situation between N and S Korea ...and wait until Trump ACTUALLY has to move HIS nuclear weapons off Korean ground before he gets plaudits for peace.Of course IF he moves them maybe we can convince him to do the same with those housed here !

lemongrove Mon 07-May-18 20:20:32

Yes, the whole message is that if he brokers peace between North and South Korea, and Iran, then there may be possible Nobel Peace Prize nomination
Not that strange, when Obama was given it for no reason at all.

MawBroon Mon 07-May-18 20:37:02

Simple answer
Not at all.

Jalima1108 Mon 07-May-18 21:21:13

I think if you took the whole population of the UK and put them into a melting pot you would not come out with a Boris.

MawBroon Mon 07-May-18 21:36:40

But if you were to put Boris in a melting pot..........
Solve any fuel crisis? Or is the hot air he spouts enough? 🌪

Niobe Mon 07-May-18 22:21:48

Spot on MawBroon!

grumppa Mon 07-May-18 22:40:36

Boris said that if Trump secured a treaty between the Koreas and got a better deal with Iran then he was as deserving of the Nobel Peace prize as Barack Obama, who was awarded it before he had actually achieved anything. As a comment it was, for Boris, pretty unexceptionable.

Cold Mon 07-May-18 22:52:54

Well I don't think Boris is anything like an average British Citizen.

He was not solely a UK citizen until recently. He was a dual US/UK citizen until 2016. He obviously tones down his name, officially Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, to create a more ordinary, man of the people image.

Then there is his very interesting European background which is fascinating if anyone watched his "Who do you think you are?" episode. He has Muslim, Jewish and Christian heritage from the family's background in Turkey, France, Russia, US & UK. But he obviously keeps it toned down for his political career:
- Boris has blood ties to Turkish elites through his paternal grandfather great Ali Kemal - who was a journalist and politician but was asassinated in Turkish political unrest. The family adopted the name Johnson in Britain
- he is a descendent of German, Prussian and French aristocracy and royalty.

So hardly your average UK citizen

Baggs Tue 08-May-18 06:03:23

So Boris is supporting what Mr Moon of South Korea said.

Disagreeing with the suggestion that Mr Moon made does not make it an unreasonable suggestion in terms of global politics.

My personal view? Couldn't care less one way or the other. It's all fudge.

kittylester Tue 08-May-18 06:22:00

I consider myself an average UK citizen and I have Eastern European, Nigerian and Asian blood - none of it royal.

What baggs said.

absent Tue 08-May-18 06:49:43

I have never really believed in the validity of the Nobel Peace Prize since it was awarded to Henry Kissinger. I have never once believed in the validity of Boris Johnson.

Lovetopaint037 Tue 08-May-18 08:16:19

Can’t stand Boris Johnson and wouldn’t believe anything he said. He is a dangerous man.

varian Tue 08-May-18 19:17:24

BJ has always been a national embarrassment. TM gave him a job to try to shut him up but he is without doubt the very worst foreign secretary we have ever had. Theresa May has the power to sack him and that is exactly what she ought to do.

Anniel Tue 08-May-18 19:51:21

Not a very easy question to answer!. Boris may not be representative of many of us. but then I would not consider most MPs to be like the rest of us! I don't identify with Jeremy C who has been in Parliament for most of his life. I am a Conservative but there are labour MPS I do identify with. I admire Frank Field the member for Birkenhead and even though he is a bit of a maverick I do like Dennis Skinner, who gives a lot of his salary to good causes. I do not think that Boris is a good foreign secretary however bright he is. As a rather ancient person I think we are very short of real, inspiring politicians. They are mostly only interested in keeping their seats. MSM also inhibits MPS from giving us their true opinions because anything they say that is not absolutely politically correct will make headlines in the red tops the next day.

Bridgeit Tue 08-May-18 20:03:16

I agree ,very well put Anniell

M0nica Tue 08-May-18 23:06:01

There isn't such a thing as an average British citizen. We are an extremely diverse nation. It is like saying that the average age of people living in the country is 45, or some such figure. It tells you nothing and many more people are not 45 than are.

Ethnically Boris is representative of many people living in this ethnically diverse and multi ethnic state. Boris Johnson is a very clever operator who hides his devious ways behind his public persona as a buffoon. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could see him with my eyes shut.

varian Thu 10-May-18 16:57:57

Boris Johnson, someone not previously identified as having an interest in healthcare, will forever be remembered for standing beside a large red bus promising an extra £350 million per week for the NHS. This, the British public was promised, would be available only if they would vote to leave the European Union. Given the obvious problems that the NHS was facing, many people found this an attractive argument, with some of the main backers of Brexit regarding it as their winning argument.

There was, of course, one small problem. It wasn’t true. This was pointed out to Mr Johnson at the time by the chair of the UK Statistics Authority, who wrote in April 2016 that “The continued use of a gross figure in contexts that imply it is a net figure is misleading and undermines trust in official statistics.” Undeterred, Mr Johnson, by now Foreign Secretary, repeated the claim in September 2017, leading to a further rebuke by the new chair of the Statistics Authority, who wrote “I am surprised and disappointed that you have chosen to repeat the figure of £350 million per week… It is a clear misuse of official statistics.” And in January 2018 he repeated it yet again. The main criticism at the time was that this figure took no account of the rebates that the United Kingdom receives on its gross contributions or the money that is returned to the country through European Union programmes. It was possible to take these into account, and the resulting figure was far smaller than that claimed. Yet, as others pointed out, even that took no account of the damage that would be done to the British economy as a consequence of disruption of trading arrangements with the remaining European Union.

blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/04/19/martin-mckee-they-promised-us-350-million-a-week-for-the-nhs-the-reality-will-be-very-different/

When he was a journalist Boris Johnson was sacked from The Times for lying. Would the "average UK citizen" ever get away with telling such blatant lies?

Allygran1 Thu 10-May-18 20:49:15

Well said Anniel.

Allygran1 Thu 10-May-18 20:53:24

Varian tell me more about Boris Johnson being sacked for lying please.

You know I really don't know how we determine what the "average UK citizen" is composed of. Have we any ideas on this?

MaizieD Thu 10-May-18 23:57:02

www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-so-surprised-that-boris-johnson-lied-when-he-s-been-sacked-for-lying-twice-before-a7105976.html

dbDB77 Fri 11-May-18 00:05:33

Anniel - completely agree with you about Frank Field - an excellent MP.

M0nica Fri 11-May-18 07:34:46

Boris has been caught out lying more than once.

Anniebach Fri 11-May-18 08:28:42

Is there an average UK citizen ? Who/what is ?