Unintended consequences of brexit

The demographic of brexit voters is well established, that is a statistical fact. It does not mean, and as far as I know, no-one on GN or elsewhere has ever suggested that every individual leave voter conformed to that profile.

There is going to be a lot of trouble nellie. It looks like quick fix to keep the German coalition Government functioning. I must read some more, perhaps I can post something tomorrow.

There is only the fishing industry and associated byproducts. The EU seems more interested in the geoscience and geostratigic position of Greenland.

Your analysis of this thread going over the same old ground, same questions on reasons for voting leave, is spot on. Yet again today being hijacked by personal attacks, just so predictable, whenever we get a good debatable thread going, it just decends into accusations, defence and counter defence. So pointless. I know it's to shut us up. But it says more about the people that do this than they realise, and lots of people read and watch without contributing, they come to their own conclusions about people who do post. It's back to the moral high ground for us then nellie! Not getting dragged into responding to nasty post's.

not you in particular varian but over the time from many posters since the referendum.

Oh yes, but perhaps not in those exact words.

Such gems as 'my friend's opinion is that .....' 'I was listening to a discussion where it was said that .....' 'the demographic of Brexiteers is .....' etc etc etc.

A drip, drip, feed of insiduous comments.

I don’t read the attacking each other nonsense and I don’t read cut n paste Wikipedia posts either and I’m guessing few people do.

No, Jalima, I have never ever said that all leave voters were,
in Lemongrove's words "poorly educated, racist, thick". Never, and I do not recall any other remain supporting GNetter ever posting such a thing. Do you?

Ah - but she was just repeating what you have said I presume varian - and others have implied so many times.

Sometimes I feel so ashamed to have voted remain and be associated with some of the vitriol on these threads.

Nasty, nasty, nasty.

lemongrove Tue 03-Jul-18 18:31:28

sorry, 'leaver'

varian
I am intrigued - which leave said that?

Funnily enough I have more sympathy for the leave voters who are, in the words of a GN leaver, "poorly educated, racist, thick"

They at least have the excuse that they did not understand what they were voting for, they were fooled by the lie on the bus or by years of reading the Experss, DM and Sun.

It is the leave voters who claim to be intelligent and well educated that have a lot of explaining to do.

Not difficult for the likes of Farage, Rees-Mogg etc, they voted for brexit because they could see a way of rich bankers /gamblers like them making a fast buck. But if you are a well educated leave voter who is not due to cash in what is your excuse?

Ag, reception centres?!! What happens in the meantime until these centres are fully functional?!! I know Mrs Merkel is on a tightrope!!
Presumably Greenlands lack of population made it of no importance in the ambitions of the EU! No surprise there then!! Actually, lucky Greenland, saved by the bell!!
Leavers on here have stated their reasons for the way they voted umpteen times, and still remainers behave as if no reasons have been given! Well, I have stated my reasons, and I'm not going to again!!

maryeliza54 Englands on, chill out!

suzied, it doesn't actually matter to me if you do or don't. Some will, some won't. One thing for sure is it's better than reading this load of nonsense attacking other people. Do you actually know what this thread was about before it got hijacked again?

Fennel you will have to explain that more fully?

I think some pretend to ? and then pretend to understand them ?

I wonder if allyg thinks anyone reads her long Wikipedia pasted posts

Maryeliza your point being?

Just proves Maryeliza that you are on the ball and I am not. I do have a life outside of Gransnet that is not about Brexit, or Angela Merkel, I am so pleased to say.

I have never at any time on GN or elsewhere branded all leave voters as "poorly educated, racist, thick,". I don't think any other remain supporting GNetter has ever done that either.

It is a matter of fact - not supposition, actual fact, that people who are "poorly educated, racist, thick" tended to vote leave in far greater numbers than those who were well educated, liberal and tolerant.

I believe that there are also folk who are well educated, not thick, and possibly even not racist, who did vote leave for reasons best known to themselves- and it is possible that some of the little band of angry leavers on GN may be in that group.

That would be Greenland with a population of less than 600,000 then?

GillT thank you for your consideration.

I don't know what's worse, the arrogance of some remainers who believe they know the inner workings of the minds of those who voted leave,

But it's OK for a Leaver to speak on behalf of 17 million Leavers?

I assure you Brexiteers are not living in the past, Allygran1 Tue 03-Jul-18 14:52:27

This is from Wikipedia:

"Greenland is one of the Overseas Countries and Territories (OCT) of the EU because of its political relations to Denmark in The unity of the Realm also known as the Kingdom of Denmark. As a result, Greenland has some integration with the EU's internal market via association agreements. It is also within the EU's common external tariff but they may charge customs in a non-discriminatory manner. Greenlandic citizens have EU citizenship.[4] OCT nationals can be granted the right to vote for and participate in the election of the European Parliament, subject to the conditions defined by the related member states in compliance with Community law.[5]
Up to 2006, all EU funds to Greenland (then €42.8 million per year) went via the EU–Greenland fishing agreement. Between 2007 and 2013, the EU provided €25 million per year outside of fishing.[6] It has been given aid since it pulled out of the EU (see below) in 1985 to roughly the same amount it was previously receiving in EU structural funds (which it lost the right to receive due to its secession). This amounted to about 7% of Greenland's budget. The amount paid via the fishing agreement was in return for EU vessels fishing in Greenland's waters and to help restructure Greenland's fishing fleet. However, this deal was struck down by the European Court of Auditors, who felt the amount the EU was paying was too high for the quantity of fish caught.[7]"
Greenland is eligible for EU funding. Between 2007 and 2013, the EU allocated approximately €190 million, and between 2014 and 2020, €217.8 million are planned for sustainable development, with focus on education.[12] In 2015, a joint declaration about closer relations between EU and Greenland was signed by Denmark, Greenland and the EU.[13]
In March 2015, the President of the EU Commission, the Prime Minister of Denmark and the Greenland Premier signed 'an umbrella' framework document outlining EU-Greenland relations, a “Joint Declaration on relations between the European Union, on the one hand, and the Government of Greenland and the Government of Denmark, on the other”. By this document, the EU confirms its long lasting links with Greenland and reiterates the geostrategic importance of Greenland for the EU.[14]
The Brexit debate has reignited talk about the EU in Greenland, and there have been calls for the island to rejoin the Union.[15]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland European_Union_relations

The OCT is yet another form of EFTA where the EU enters into treaties with hooks that ensure that although these country's are not full members they will conforming with EU regulations down the line when agreements are up for renewal.

Clearly the fishing support from the EU whilst very central to the Greenland economy as it's central industry, is critically important, it is interesting to notice that the EU is less interested in the fish than in the geoscience and geostrategic position of Greenland. There might be some mileage in checking out exactly what Greenland and Denmark have signed up to with the EU.

There is something else significant here also, that since Brexit, the EU is encouraging Greenland to become a full member again, I wonder why, could it be that they are worried that the UK might negotiate a free trade agreement with Greenland, for the very same reason's that the EU are encouraging "ever closer union" between them, and I don't just mean the fish. We shall see how it plays out.

All for someone so well versed in all matters EU I’m amazed you’ve only just heard about Mutti’s problems with her coalition partners. The discussions have been going on for weeks and have now been resolved, at least for the moment. You really should keep up?