Unintended consequences of brexit

Hear hear!
To be fair though, it’s only a very few posters who still persist with all the sneery nonsense about education.

We have 5 children aged 25 - 45, 3 went to uni, 1 left after A levels and opted to go into the workplace, 1 left after GCSE's. All extremely successful in their chosen fields (1 in armed forces) All voted to leave. I have never and will never take any notice of these so called 'opinion polls'.

I think it's about time that the we stop berating each other on how we voted in the 'advisory referendum'

Time to put our differences aside and move on.

No, it doesn't give the overall pattern it gives an opinion.

No, it doesn't 'give an opinion' it was a survey of how people actually voted. The survey was carried out on 23rd & 24th June 2016.

This is the underlying data (including sample size)

d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/oxmidrr5wh/EUFinalCall_Reweighted.pdf

Well said Jalima and Smileless
Since voting was private, nobody knows how everyone voted! polls only ask intention and cannot cover the millions if voters, only a sample.
There will doubtless be plenty of ‘thickos’ who voted to Remain, but Leavers wouldn't dream of saying so.
Many younger voters who had grown up being in the EU were simply scared of coming out after Cameron said the sky would fall in.
Varian you have kept up your rude posts to Leavers ever since the referendum on here, posting poll results ( which are a poor indication of anything!)
High time you accepted we are leaving the EU.

No, it doesn't give the overall pattern it gives an opinion. The link doesn't even give the number of those polled in the first place which IMO gives its results very little credibility.

I wouldn't be offended either if I were over 65, voted remain and it was stated that most over 65's were leavers. That said, I would like that claim and all others to come from a verifiable source that will stand up to closer scrutiny.

Polls just don't do that for me.

Analysis after the vote showed that:-

"The most dramatic split is along the lines of education. 70% of voters whose educational attainment is only GCSE or lower voted to Leave, while 68% of voters with a university degree voted to Remain in the EU. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split, 50% to 50%.

Age is the other great fault line. Under-25s were more than twice as likely to vote Remain (71%) than Leave (29%). Among over-65s the picture is almost the exact opposite, as 64% of over-65s voted to Leave while only 36% voted to Remain. Among the other age groups, voters aged 24 to 49 narrowly opted for Remain (54%) over leave (46%) while 60% of voters between the ages of 50 and 64 went for Leave."

yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/

As with all statistics this gives the overall pattern. Of course some well educated folk did vote leave and some young folk voted leave.

I am over 65 and unlike most of my age group I voted Remain. However I do not take offence if someone states that most over 65s were leavers. It is a fact.

You're presenting "Younger, more middle class, more educated and BME voters chose to remain; older, working class, less educated and white voters opted to leave" as fact varian even though the link you've provided clearly states that the 'results' are estimates, and that some of the information gathered and used, was how voters intended to vote, not just how they did vote.

There's a vast difference between one's intentions and final decision.

It's to be expected that age, class, education level and ethnicity will influence one's decision but yet again the implication being made is that older, w/c, less educated white voters chose to leave and younger, more m/c educated and BME voters opted to remain.

Your assertion that "no one has ever said all Brexiters are thickos" is consistently undermined by your posts references to the intelligence of remainers as opposed to that of leavers. Not for the first time you also bring ageism, class relevance and skin colour into the discussion.

Mr. S. and I are both white, own our own business, well educated and in the mid 50's to mid 60's age bracket yet voted differently.

I made my decision very early on, Mr. S. didn't make his final decision until he cast his vote.

The referendum vote revealed huge differences in voting intentions by age, class, education level and ethnicity – if anything, more apparent than that seen in the general election. Younger, more middle class, more educated and BME voters chose to remain; older, working class, less educated and white voters opted to leave.

www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2016-eu-referendum

I voted leave, Mr. S. voted remain and it certainly hasn't caused any problems in our relationship because we have the maturity to accept the other's right to have voted the way we thought best.
Well done, Smileless

Not sure about the intellectual one, although I have seen that claimed as well - Brexit voters have PhDs, etc|

I don't tend to lie, suzied, I am telling it as it is.
And I felt very uncomfortable at a post-referendum gathering when I said I had voted remain, having to huddle with four others who had voted remain out of a majority of very well-educated brexiteers.
Your posts come across as very condescending.

Varian, I am intrigued to know where the ‘Facts ‘ you have quoted come from.
I am a remain voter,I am neither well or poorly educated I imagine many other voters are similar , ( could be another subject open to debate) However I do agree with your last paragraph. I believe common sense is underrated, some of the most highly intelligent people I have met over the years don’t appear to have one once of it!

Bitter divisions between "former friends and even within families" has IMO nothing to do with the EU referendum. It's to do with some, being unwilling or unable to accept the way people voted if they didn't vote the same way as themselves.

I voted leave, Mr. S. voted remain and it certainly hasn't caused any problems in our relationship because we have the maturity to accept the other's right to have voted the way we thought best.

One of the consequenses of the EU referendum is the bitter division between former friends and even within families.

No-one has ever said that "all leavers are thickos" as is claimed by the brexiters. However it is the case that most well educated folk voted to remain and most poorly educaed folk voted to leave. That is not a slur, it is a fact. There is no point in GNetters who voted leave boasting about their high level qualifications as if anecdotal evidence disproved the facts.

It is disappointing to hear folk who claim to be well educated saying that remainers are just "sore losers". The sad fact is that if brexit does go ahead as is threatened we will all be losers - and our children and grandchildren.

I seem to remember it was the Brexiteers on here claiming the moral high ground a short while ago. Not sure about the intellectual one, although I have seen that claimed as well - Brexit voters have PhDs, etc
The reasons above are what actual people have said. There are myriad reasons for behaviour I don't claim to have listed all of them, but those I have listed are genuine and not fake news. Obviously you don't believe any jobs will be lost and it will all be economic miracles - good for you, its pretty crowded up there on the sunny uplands of Brexitland. You can wave to the others on the moral high ground.

I'm sure it wont take Netflix and other broadcasting services long to negotiate new contracts if necessary varian. As for all the other possible difficulties well they're just that aren't they, possibilities.

That said as far as re training is concerned that could also apply to EU nationals in certain sectors who want to work here if we no longer recognise their qualifications because they're no longer in line with ours and vice versa.

Gosh suzied to know so much about those who voted for Brexit. Of course you're ignoring the possibility that many believed better economic deals would be available once we'd left the EU which IMO, is a far more realistic argument than one that claims "Most Brexiters aren't that interested in people losing their jobs or the economics of it all".

With so many remainers claiming the moral and intellectual high ground, it must be getting pretty crowded up there.

I mentioned Airbus a few pages back (or maybe on another thread). We used to live near the route in France where the wings came along, from Wales, I think.
Someone replied then that it would be ok for some reason.
Maybe we will build our own Airbus to compete with the french?

Oldgoat
Ever the optimist, me

Most Brexiteers aren't that interested in people loosing their jobs or the economics of it all, if they were they'd realise there wouldn't be a better economic deal than the one we've already got. Some voted leave for a variety of reasons - to get rid of the old Etonian posh tories - to get rid of Polish shops and builders and to stop the EU telling us what lightbulbs to have. The more rabid leavers you hear on radio phone -ins and the like would be quite happy for their own children to loose their jobs and to be worse off (I've actually heard this) as long as it meant we could stop immigrants and "Get our Country Back". One woman I heard on the radio said she voted leave "coz there ain't no jobs round 'ere". when asked whether she thought there would be more jobs when we leave the EU, she said "No not really".

I'm amazed at your optimism petra
Even my once very-pro Brexit relations are getting worried about GB's economic future now.

Varian
Lots of 'if' 'could' & 'may' in that article (Wed [email protected])
Not one will

Apparently about 100,000 UK jobs depend on Airbus.

If travel through the ports is not smooth and fast I think that will unfortunately be the case for many companies which have components made in various countries.

Tens of thousands of UK jobs are at risk as plane-maker Airbus threatens to pull out of Britain after any no-deal Brexit.

14,000 British jobs are at stake at Airbus, plus knock on effects from their suppliers.

The European planemaker said the warning was not part of "project fear, but its "dawning reality"

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-44570931

We could lose Netflix: The CBI says 35 broadcasting services, including Netflix, are available in the UK under EU licences. If the UK and EU don’t agree mutual market access, there is a risk that UK viewers could lose access to some of these services (until a new contract is negotiated).

You may need to retrain: As well as driving licences, qualifications in diving and skiing have been mutually recognised by the UK and EU up to this point – but that could change. The same could apply to qualifications in other sectors such as law.

A halt on business trips: Professional services firms in the UK carry out work in the EU by temporarily sending workers to the continent – this could be for days, weeks or months. If this curtailed it could have serious implications for the industry.

Trademarks could get trickier: Under current community design regulations, companies can register their designs and trademarks in one application which covers the whole EU. If the UK doesn’t negotiate convergence, businesses could be forced to disclose their designs first in an EU member state to get the same protection – which could harm their competitiveness.

www.edp24.co.uk/business/unexpected-consquences-of-brexit-cbi-smooth-operations-report-1-5474166