Unintended consequences of brexit

No but sometimes ideas etc expressed at the time are no longer relevant.

Even though things move on, the age of an article doesn't necessarily undermine its relevance.

That may well be your opinion but many of the cut and paste pieces were some years old and things move on. If there is a link besides not needing to scroll past long passages you can see once you have the link up where and when it came from.

Really niggly well perhaps you'd care to accuse suzied of being deliberately insulting, pathetic and childish after all it was her post I was alluding too in which she said "Intellectual debate? Did I miss that? Lost in the cut n paste of time ..."

Yet another dig at one poster in particular who has made some informative and intelligent contributions to this thread.

There are plenty of examples of pathetic and childish posts on this thread but none have come from me.

Goodness, nellie, are you actually defending us Remainers?

Why do you have to be deliberately insulting Smiless about people you know absolutely nothing about except what you read on here?!! It's pathetic and childish!

That's a shame Allygran and lemongrove as there have been some really interesting contributions to the discussion recently. Perhaps some simply aren't up to intellectual debate which is why they don't recognise it when it's taking place.

Perhaps we can get back to unintended consequences of Brexit now.

The U.K. economy is looking weaker than expected, wrong-footing the Bank of England and weighing on the government as it tries to push through key Brexit legislation.

The pound fell on Monday after a report showing manufacturing output shrank the most in 5 1/2 years in April and a feeble gain in construction. The figures are a rough start to a packed week of data that will test the BOE’s hypothesis that growth will rebound after a snow-blighted first quarter.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-11/u-k-manufacturing-construction-data-cast-doubt-over-economy

And in my area businesses are looking to relocate to Europe

Some North East businesses are looking to relocate to Europe as they prepare for Brexit while others are being advised to review any expansion plans, research by the region’s largest business organisation has found.

The North East England Chamber of Commerce has surveyed members before launching a ‘Brexit toolkit’ to help companies be as ready as possible for the country leaving the EU.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/north-east-businesses-look-relocate-14762169

Amen to that. varian

It has been hard to find any vestige of debate, intellectual or otherwise.. We ask questions but there are no.answers from the angry leavers. Sooner or later they will have to admit they were wrong. I hope it is sooner rather than later.

Intellectual debate? Did I miss that? Lost in the cut n paste of time ....

suzied. It's not a case of 'can't stand the heat' it's the lack of intellectual debate and juvenile comments such as yours 20:22:07...tiresome.

Suzied, this really is the last one. Just have to say to you it isn't the heat I can't stand!

If you can’t stand the heat ...

Sayonara

Oh dear

Lemongrove, I am joining you this is also my last post on this thread.

Shock horror. I am posting a comment from the DAily Express!!!!

"With tomorrow marking a year to go until Brexit, one bookmaker has shockingly revealed almost half of all money staked on the market is still on Britain not leaving the European Union by 29th of March 2019."

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/938501/brexit-news-betting-transition-deal-article-50-exit-date

Mawbroom, I can see that a lot of people will have spent all or most of their lives living in Britain with an increasing control by the EU. Clearly for you, Europe, is part of who you are. Your connections and sources of work and family make Europe personal. What I would ask you, is it Europe that your fond of or is it the EU as an organisation?

You see, for lots of people living in the UK, that physical and family 'connection' with Europe is not there. I think you will agree that this alters the perspective to a non European one to being controlled by the EU.

Your view that "Brexit is taking us back to a past", which past is that? We have been increasingly controlled over many years, but more and more since 1973, forty five years, if we only count from then. So, which past are you talking about?

Brexit is about change, it is about the future, it is about leaving a failing system before it brings us down with it. You know Europe well from what you say. You clearly love it, presumably the lifestyle, climate, job, and the connection with your family. It is understandable that you will not want those familiar things to change. They won't unless as I sense it will the EU structure destroy's the economic, political and social structures. We are seeing these things happening now. You must from what you say have access to European Newsprint. The love affair with the EU is definitely on the rocks in a number of countries.

Brexit is about the future. It is embracing the enormous world changes that are being brought about as a capitalist world demands free market trading, if any country is to survive it has to be able to respond to economic threats quickly to protect it's social and political structures, in our case a Parliamentary democracy. I suspect that there will be enormous changes, inevitably that is how humanity moves forward, otherwise we would still be in the dark age. It is always better not to have a cataclysmic event to bring about change.

Brexit is not only bringing about necessary change for Britain, it is also bringing about change for the EU that is essential for them too. There are 27 countries, tied together by the euro, when things go wrong they cannot react quickly enough and will very quickly lag behind, with the speed of technology, training, and transferable skills, that is if their economies survive.

Brexit is about the future, not the past, and with respect, you are making an error to think that the past is a place that I want to go to, nor do any leave voters I have spoken with. The past would lead back to an EU past, that's what we want to get away from. Onwards and upwards that's where Brexit will take us, forward into the twenty first century.

Well, suzied that was going to be my last post on this thread ( but now this one is!)

suzied Interesting, but why are investors apparently only investing in France and Germany when there are 24 other countries within the EU. This is typically the destabilising force that will fracture the union. Two mega powers and the remainder as poor has beens. There is an unfair distribution of wealth with Germany particularly utilising the poorer nations to boost its own prosperity. If the EU was the utopian force for good that some consider it is then the wealth and the debt should have been more effectively distributed by now.

But no one knows how it’s going ahead even the fervent supporters or the people who are supposed to be doing the negotiating. If it’s such a pointless thread I’m not sure why you are still posting lemon

It’s going ahead Varian however you strive to prevent it ( not that you can do anyway.)
This thread is pointless really, because everybody will be at odds with each other until we have finally left the EU, and then at last ( alleluia!) we can get on with life.

It shouldn't have to be like that, Bridgeit. It would be quite possible to prevent brexit if enough people were prepared to do that. Lord Kerr, the author of Article 50, has told us that it is reversible. The other EU countries would be quite happy for us to stay.

Just because about 26% of the polulation were fooled into voting Leave in 2016,l it does not mean that the UK is doomed to go out of the EU. Far from it. All it needs is for common sense to prevail and for some folk to admit they got it wrong.

Sadly Only time will tell, such a big risk & decision made on so many differing opinions, guesswork & half truths.