Unintended consequences of brexit

well he's got hat he wanted, fame & fortune and a very good pension as an ex-MEP

Talking of contradictions, Nigel Farage seems to have changed his tune about the benefits of Brexit. “I never promised that it would be a huge success,” he told LBC listeners on May 29. “I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off.”

Yet that is exactly what he did say on numerous occasions before the referendum, for instance on June 10, 2016, when he tweeted “we will be safer and better off outside EU”

I wonder how many people would have voted leave if he had said then what he says now. Did these people really want to be worse off?

The sadness of this site us that there are some great subjects posted for debate but these are constantly hijacked by those who feel it is their right to try and dictate to others preventing the free exchange of opinions whether through criticism of long or short postings, cut and paste, uccusations of too many links, poor spelling, bad grammar or content. Contradictions are not challenged by constructive debate but personal jibes and intimidation. What those people who seem to relish in this behaviour overlook is their postings may be directed at one person, but they may be read by many.
I notice that challenging subjects are diminishing as non challenging word games and similar increase and interesting posters leave. What a shame.

So now you and others have made your opinions known on long posts, how about moving on to another topic.
Long (and short) posts are allowed by GN rules.

You say ‘most of us can’t be bothered to read it’ Varian
Also ‘we are not exactly criticising the poster’
Well, yes you are actually, and you should be saying I and not we, as you are speaking of your own opinion!

You have given advice varian but others have been critical.

We are not exactly criticising the poster, more giving advice. If you want anybody to read your posts, try making them shorter.

But some not being bothered to read long posts doesn't justify the criticism that the poster's receiving for making them varian.

When a post is very long, irrespective of whether it is the posters own opinions or it has been bolstered up with copies of other stuff, it is counter-producitive. Most of us cant be bothered to read it.

But the length of a post is irrelevant surely, when it comes to whether or not the poster is expressing their own opinion either in their own words or through the words of another?

It might be something to do with the length of these posts.

"I think it is understood on GN that we are all offering our opinions" I'd have thought so as well varian but if that's the case, why is Allygran being accused of not expressing her opinion?

If I chose to cut and paste something written by someone else, I'd only do so if it was in line with my own opinion. Is it really necessary for posters to state the obvious?

Speaking of which, I realise it's stating the obvious but lemongrove has been posting on various Brexit threads as a leaver, ever since the referendum.

Well, you would think so (opinions) but I was constantly told to put IMO or IMHO after comments by now departed GNers.

I think it is understood on GN that we are all offering our own opinions.

You must start putting IMO after your comments MaizieD

Oh, and telling other posters what to do.

Now could we get back to the subject in hand.

You must start putting IMO after your comments MaizieD
And your comments are wrong in any case, as I am very interested in Brexit and reccommend ( again) the book Making A Success Of Brexit by Roger Bootle.
Secondly I never moan about Leavers, it wouldn't make any kind of sense to do so, given that I voted to Leave.
There is no bunfight ( unless you cause one) just reminding a couple of posters to give a GN member (*Allygran*) a fair hearing.

Could we get back to the subject of the OP now.

But you're not the slightest bit interested in Brexit, lemon. You only come on here to moan about Leavers and tell them to keep quiet.

Or to join in the bunfight, of course

Smileless

Alygran is still posting on GN Fennel as I read a comment on a thread only last week.
There are a few names around now that appear similar, there are a few Ann-somethings I have noticed.

As you are obviously fully aware Allygran it is the content of your cut and paste posts that offends and not that they aren't considered to be your opinion.

I rarely post but come on every day and catch up and find your posts as informative as they are lengthy.

Bridgeit "we are more or less self governed on here" I really wish that were the case and that all posters on either side of the Brexit debate were treated with the courtesy to which we are all entitled.

I don't think the negotiations are going particularly well, but as well as can be expected in the circumstances. Those circumstances being the EU wanting to make an example of us for wanting to leave and far too many politicians pushing their own agenda rather than working for the best interests of the country as a whole.

Allygran1 - are you any relation to Alygran?

Lemongrove my view is that on complaining to some people will always be shouted down. Thank you so much for your attempts to bring some balance to yet another attack.

I find it difficult to understand, why a cut and paste is not considered to be opinion based. Clearly I agree with the view of the article otherwise I would not post it. Post's that respond to 'statements' or cut and paste of parts of surveys or polls or figures, require cut and paste of the whole of the information to show a full picture.

As I have said many times they can read or not read, debate or not debate. But gang type verbal attacks are very juvenile.

The book you recommended is on it's way via Amazon. Looking forward to reading it.
I have also sent for the Nick Clegg book. That should be interesting too.

I think if long posts are a persons opinion, then people are happy to read them, but cut & pasted lengthy articles are not so welcome simply because it stops the natural flow of debate, feels like homework , are far too long & it simply isn’t what Gn is about nor does it seem to be what Gnetters want. If you were to attended a live debating forum you would have a chairperson conducting the flow of speakers, if you go to hear a speaker you go to listen. We are more or less self governed on here,the consensus seems to be keep it fairly short with factual details but essentially opinions based.
So ladies how do we think the negotiations are going so far ???

It was Varian who made the ‘garbage’ comment.

However Crystaltipps you have made your views clear on not wanting to read long posts cut and paste etc. So, I wouldn't expect you to keep on saying it, and why would you?
It may not be agreed strategy but it does have the same effect and makes uneasy reading.
Could we get back to the subject of the OP now.