Unintended consequences of brexit

Allygran are you m or f?

allygran I recall from living in a large city at one time when I was much younger, as I suspect you are, is insular, inward looking and cosmopolitan giving the illusion that one is at the centre of things, outward looking, trendy and hot. Clearly your view of what is parochial is viewed from the lofty heights of superiority and snobbery
This is what I meant - you assume because I live in a certain postcode that I am these things without any evidence. I have lived FYI in Devon, Scotland, Italy, Yorkshire, Ireland, Bristol Liverpool. Some urban, some rural. Maybe those places have influenced my view of the world as well, and to assume a view of the world because of where I currently live is rather narrow minded. Plus to assume that 8 million other people who live there all share the same view of the world is also faintly ridiculous. Those who can spell and put together a concise sentence are often thought to be the metropolitan elite, but I’m not. Neither do I think I am “hot”. You are not the sole possessor of positive qualities. Neither are millions of Londoners lacking in those qualities you list. Why are you asking my worldview when you have already decided you know what it is?

Gerispringer Thu 31-May-18 20:22:22
"Ally, ally ally, Your narrow, parochial and patronising view of the world indicates you know nothing about the real lives of others."

Narrow, parochial and patronising wow! Well let's take a look at what those big words really mean. Narrow, definitely not my knowledge of the world my experience of life, just thinking it through...no definitely not narrow. Parochial now that means what, clearly meant as an insult:

parochial
adjective
1.
relating to a Church parish.
"the parochial church council"

Definitely can’t be no 1, I am not on the parish council and I don’t attend Church, well only weddings, funerals and baptisms. So you must be meaning no 2.
2.
having a limited or narrow outlook or scope.
"parochial attitudes"
synonyms:narrow-minded, small-minded, provincial, insular, narrow, small-town, inward-looking, limited, restricted, localist, conservative, conventional, short-sighted, petty, close-minded, blinkered, myopic, introverted, illiberal, hidebound, intolerant.

Now the only couple of these that I can see might be seen as an insult from you who lives and thinks in the “London Bubble”, would be provincial, small-town, illiberal maybe oh you would definitely want intolerant in there. None of the other fit.

What arrogance and snobbery to assume that small town and provincial, meaning part of a parish would be an insult. I am tolerant and I should add patient to a fault, as you know from how I put up with you when you talk ????.
books.google.com/ngrams/graph?year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=7&case_insensitive=on&content=parochial

That, leaves patronising. Now what does that really mean in this context:
Antonyms for patronizing
•humble
•unconceited
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition Copyright © 2013 by the Philip Lief Group.
I am sure you meant these, humble and unconceited. On these I have to agree with you I humbly admit you are correct, I am indeed humble and unconceited.

Now my view of the world, well, it is certainly not one of the “London Bubble”. I have to readily agree on that. I recall from living in a large city at one time when I was much younger, as I suspect you are, is insular, inward looking and cosmopolitan giving the illusion that one is at the centre of things, outward looking, trendy and hot. Clearly your view of what is parochial is viewed from the lofty heights of superiority and snobbery, that somehow, parochial (being of the Parish) is backwoods, and backwards, it isn’t, real people, working people, hard working people, who have brought up families, contributed to the economy, held down responsible jobs and made a good life from in my case a poor background. How much would I have put on that being your view. Small town when used as an insult is well, patronising as a synonym:
 arrogant
 pretentious
 snobbish
Now let me give you an insight into my view of the world. The world I live in is caring, supportive, neighbourly, happy, sad, hard sometimes, interesting, expansive, enlightening and full of optimism for the future. It is enriching and enriched by other with love, kindness and trust. It is socially self supporting, it takes responsibility for itself, it get’s on with life, it looks after others without expectation of return. It believes in democracy, truth, it believes in punishing the bad and rewarding the good. It believes in helping other if they are prepared to help themselves. It believes in "give a person a fish they eat for a day give them a fishing rod they eat for life".
I believe that no one give you anything, you have to work for it. I believe that when people are genuinely on their a___e society will help. I believe even after a life time, in the basic good in people, but aware that there are people who are uscrupulous, liars and cheats, who manipulate the truth for their own ends. I know that the world is not perfect but I still keep hoping and engaging and influencing. I know that capitalism is not an ideal system but I also know that anything else that takes away peoples freedom to speak, suppresses the right’s of one to support the right’s of another is equally wrong. I believe in equality, fraternity and justice under the law, it might not be perfect, but the alternative is anarchy. I believe in respect for oneself and in the dignity of education and work. I believe in every persons right to live their lives in peace, harmony without fear. I believe in democracy and standing up to bullies.

Now what’s your world view inside your bubble!

Jalima I took early retirement in 1995 and Welsh was compulsory then - I had to go on a course to learn Welsh - supposedly for beginners - but everyone else had done Welsh at school and so had a basic idea - my DGS is 28 now and he did it all his school life.

Ally, ally ally, Your narrow, parochial and patronising view of the world indicates you know nothing about the real lives of others.

not both to the same gaucho iyswim

20 years! I didn't realise it was that long Welshwife. It wasn't compulsory until recently though.
I do hope the DGD don't go off to Patagonia on their gap years and marry a Welsh-speaking gaucho.

So anyone anti Brexit is “ London centric” ? Plenty of anti Brexters elsewhere though. What about my life is different? Please tell. It’s strange you know all about my life, but obviously I have no knowledge of anyone out in the rest of the country.

They speak Welsh in Patagonia .
They have been teaching Welsh from the reception class till O level for over 20years now.

Geri, Geri, Geri your Londoncentric views tell me that you have no idea about life outside of London.

I was summarise Allygran in her analysis of the London bubble and her intimate knowledge of the lives of 8 million or so people who live here.

I did read something about everyone outside “the London bubble” are thrilled about Brexit and how it is going.
I think if you look at the voting pattern that would not seem to be true.
(not meaning you specifically Geri*)

•Why the A380 never really took off
apart from the unintended? pun, can I ask why?
Is it anything to do with the fact that it seems to shake alarmingly when airborne?

But three-quarters of UK residents can only speak English.
and, dare I mention this, some of the youngest ones are having to learn Welsh, whilst schoolchildren in Australia are learning Mandarin from the age of 6.
Not a lot of the world speaks Welsh.

What’s different about my life from anyone else’s? Please tell, didn’t know you had such a knowledge of peoples’ lives based on their postcodes.

Geri how did I guess you are in the "London Bubble". You might as you say be outside of it.

You read the same news you just don't live the same life.

The gangs all here! Just don't read my post, that is absolutely fine. Your comments are very predictable on almost all subjects as far as I am concerned. I only respond to your more outrageous claims and when you are particularly rude.. Thank you Fennel for correcting your first rude comment and offering what you should have said in the first place.

I live well outside London and am definitely not thrilled about Brexit and how it’s going.
I’m horrified.

You’re not alone, I can’t be bothered to read repetitive lengthy posts. I did read something about everyone outside “the London bubble” are thrilled about Brexit and how it is going. I’m not sure what the “london bubble” is , I live in London and didn’t know I was in a bubble. Do I read different news or something?

You’re not alone there fennel.

Sorry if you think my post was rude. I find this topic very interesting and like to read the contributions of other people, though I admit I'm fairly fixed in my opinion.
You too seem to find it interesting, but our styles of discussion are very different.
I can't follow yours, find it frustrating - so my loss?

Allygran1:- Fennel’s post:Thurs 31st May 12:20 This is what she posted, so I am assuming that is what she thinks.

If Fennel had thought that Bridgeit, then that is what she should have said. Being rude is not acceptable. As my Mother would say "use your words" but of course I was about five at the time.

There is never an excuse for bad manners. I have said before I will put up whatever length of post I wish, I will paste items if I think they are relevant and assist the discussion. If some people don't want to read them that is fine. Just don't be ill mannered. Just don't bother responding, don't read it that is fine.

Good manner cost nothing only tolerance.

Bridgiet, your comments do not have any bearing on your original response post or my response to that.

One person comments, on here, Gransnet and another individual responds. If that response, attacks the person and not the issue, then that is a one on one conversation. Therefore attacking the person not the ball.

Just one thing though, before I cease playing this game with you. Your comments about " robot capabilities are reliant on the source & input of its programmer", whilst I don't know why you think that is relevant to a comment about play the ball not the person, I will however comment because it is something I have little knowledge about.

A programme is designed by a person, who is working to an operational objective, always. In some cases this will have nothing to do with the lifestyle, or moral values of the programmer. Usually when the requirement of the programme is replacing technical or manual activity of a human. The Education and working experiences of the programmer will always be relevant in order to programme the output to requirements.

In the case of say, a computer programme using artificial intelligence, where the notion of the programme's output is "learning", then, the political or moral values of the programmer along with their education may be in evidence, but not necessarily even then.

For instance a programme that is designed to support, say the Remain campaign, will have been programmed with all the arguments and the political ideology required to defend that position. This knowledge will be engineered to meet the required output of the commissioning body, (the client).

This will require the knowledge engineer to be familiar with the ideology, or the moral stance or the argument, but the programmer may not necessarily need to hold or share those same views, just be able to research them, engineer the knowledge and design the programme or pass the engineered knowledge onto the programmer.

As we see on some opinion sites such as this one, there has been evidence that some may have been infiltrated by artificially intelligent programmes, known I believe as "robots". The programme is able to pick up on threads, remember user names and all their posts and link the "learned" response to categories of words, phrases, which in turn link to pre conceived knowledge that certain words, comments relate to someone being of a certain age, or education or political leaning, therefore the programme is able to appear to be responding. The more post's it get's the data bank increases and the programme appears to be learning.

It goes wrong of course when the response is inappropriate and recognised as having made a wrong assumption. That's when the big reveal comes in.

Now what all of that has benefitted anyone is beyond me. All because I was insulted and responded with play the ball not the person. It's just ridiculous. But we cannot let things like that go ever. Because some people misinterpret silence as weakness. I assure you Bridgeit it is not.
No more on this I won't respond.

Too not to