Unintended consequences of brexit

I don’t think anyone forgets that mostly but since it was Germany who started both wars ( not us!) it doesn’t matter that we will soon be out of the EU.
Germany like to be in control, and yes, better that they are in control of the EU than invading other countries.
We will be fine trading with Europe but also going after new markets for the future.

No lemongrove I’m not too young. My father had a tough war. But the EU has been an important part of maintaining peace in Europe for the last seventy years.
It seems people forget that.

What has this got to do with Brexit?

I suppose a massive lot ...that we want Europe to be our allies and partners, to work together on all fronts, including security ...and never return to WW1 and WW2, and much worse. So many still consider Germany to be our enemy. We need to unite more than ever in the very dangerous world we live in now.

Do keep up mostly.....it was Jura who brought up the subject of Vera Lynn.
And you may feel less humerous about it, if your own Father had never returned.
If you were too young for that to happen, then lucky, lucky you.

I think it was the remainers who mentioned Vera

(ducks into the shelter)

It seems that some Brexiteers think they’re still fighting WW2!

Lemongrove, me too .

Maisie, Well it is possible that I am mistaken, but I will check. I'll get back to you.

I have a large Pimms to hand already ?

Thanks Ally
Flowers are always welcome.

sigh!

Lemongrove

You should not let an uneducated "stupid" person as you have called me

When on earth did I say that, Ally. Those actual words...

Or are you making mistaken inferences? Again...

Jura2, you will understand won't you how you feel about your parents and what they went through during that time you have mentioned. You will therefore understand completely how others living through bombing, their men at war fighting on European soil, some children did not see their Fathers for five years, some men did not come back. You should understand, that disrespect and respect is a two way street. This should be left now.

Yes, if we had lost the war then perhaps Switzerland would be all German speaking now, but you have no idea what
Winning that war cost Britain!
How many men never returned to their families, or returned with terrible injuries, the bombing raids here killing thousands of people ( a lot of them children) never mind strict rationing ( which incidentally we had plenty of here.)
It was you who started this Jura with your dismissive Vera Lynn remarks, but don’t imagine you can swap equal war horror stories because you can’t.
You say you understand British culture and history, but really you don’t.

This is indeed about Brexit... and yet some do make it personal, again and again, and allude to the fact that I was not born and bred British, and that because I am Swiss born, somehow I am lacking in knowledge of British history, politics and culture. Which is, as Maizie says u***r boll**ks.

When I say we in context of Vera Lynn I mean we those who's experiences were shared during that time.

I hadn't got you down as being that old, Ally.

I have a feeling we're getting close to arguing about who are the greatest patriots now. Remainers or Leavers...

Bridgiet you too have enormous self belief.

Tut tut MaizieD. Your left wing respectability is slipping. You should not let an uneducated "stupid" person as you have called me ,of my age get under your skin.

Well I have to say Allygran1 that I can’t help but admire your absolute self belief .

My parents lived through both wars, and died 9 years ago. Don’t you dare disrespect them Lemongrove, or anyone.

Jura this is not about us as individuals, so you don't need to explain your personal circumstances. This is about, Brexit.

You argue your case, and we (those who disagree) argue ours. I don't mean "we" as in a conspiracy as I have just laughable been accused of by someone else, ridiculous. When I say we, I mean those leave voters who disagree with remain poster's. When I say we in context of Vera Lynn I mean we those who's experiences were shared during that time. If today had been used sensibly instead of personal attacks, we all would have got much more out of it. It's not clever, and there is always someone else who is smart, and won't take what is dished out. Such nonsense.

I would say that Allygran got that spot on MaizieD with your post 18.33.35.

You have no idea. They ‘respected’ it as long as it served a purpose. Ant wrong move and we wou,d have been destroyed and annexed. Our region on the French border is still full of the concrete ‘toblerones’ and forts, to stop an invasion from the German occupied France. Being ‘pigs’ i. the middle, we had no provisions coming from anywhere and very strict rationing.

^ Your a lefty and you are suppose to champion the imperfect like me!! Mmmm, left wing snobbery.^

What utter b*llocks, Ally.