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Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

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Grandad1943 Wed 23-May-18 17:49:55

With an open attack on Theresa Mays handling of the Brexit negotiations many in the media believe that Jacob Rees-Mogg has made his first open move in a bid to become Conservative party leader and Britain's next Prime Minister.

Rees-Mogg in yet another of his ongoing interviews with the media lambasted "weak" Theresa May for preparing the UK for "Brexit failure". Rees-Mogg stated that with The British negotiators going into each set of negotiations with an attitude of "we will kowtow before you, Mr Barnier in every way you possible throughout these talks" there is no hope of success for the UK. The foregoing are undoubtedly harsh words indeed even from an arch hard line Brexitier, but many believe that there is far more to Rees-Moggs words than just Brexit.

It may well be that this hard line right wing politician has witnessed the way that Jeremy Corbyn has moved the Labour party to the left and now feels he could carry out the same in the Conservative party with the exception of that move being in the opposite direction in regards to political ground.

Evidence to the above can be seen in Rees-Moggs attack on Scottish Conservative Leader Ruth Davison, for in the same interview he stated that Davison should not be allowed to marry her longtime same sex partner as planned. However, same sex marriage legislation was put before parliament and passed in 2013 under the David Cameron coalition government.

In making the above comment Rees-Mogg is undoubtedly looking to damage Ruth Davison, who also is seen as a possible next leader of the Conservative party. That stated, it is also being seen as a move against centre ground Concervatives in parliament.

In the above can be seen shades of Momentum's original moves against centre Blairite MPs in the Labour party.

lemongrove Sun 27-May-18 16:01:01

Any chance that Jeremy will go back to the back benches?grin

Anniebach Sun 27-May-18 15:53:25

Wonder if the Tory party will sell votes to elect a new leader for £3.

lemongrove Sun 27-May-18 15:50:52

Me neither Jalima and although events can change fast in politics, I think the media is pushing this Mogg agenda and although he is no doubt flattered by the attention and granting interviews, cannot seriously see him as a future PM. With a large family and many business interests no doubt he is more than happy to be a back bencher, and I for one, hope that is where he will stay.

Jalima1108 Sun 27-May-18 14:37:01

So, perhaps an autumn election with Jacob Rees-Mogg running against Jeremy Corbyn for the keys to ten Downing Street.

What do you bet Grandad?
I wouldn't risk even £1 on a gamble.

Jalima1108 Sun 27-May-18 14:35:10

So, perhaps an autumn election with Jacob Rees-Mogg running against Jeremy Corbyn for the keys to ten Downing Street.
That's putting the cart before the horse - they'd have to have a vote of no confidence in TM and a leadership election before then - and the summer recess.

varian Sun 27-May-18 14:02:01

JRM is the new Nigel Farage. The media (especially the BBC) saw Farage as a colourful character, relentlessly promoted him for twenty years and always gave him an easy ride in interviews - and look where that got us.

Grandad1943 Sun 27-May-18 13:34:44

Yes, Never Was A political knife wielded with such verbal Elegance. grin

lemongrove Sun 27-May-18 13:06:42

I watched the Marr Show, and no, didn’t see or hear anything to make me think he wants to throw his hat in the ring ( not that there is a ring at the moment.)
He also didn’t criticise T May, in fact was very generous in all his comments about her Leadership.He said he wants her to stay true to the Mansion House Speech etc and the giving in to demands should become more of a two way thing.
I think the media see him as a colourful character and want him on tv and radio shows, so can’t blame him for responding to that and putting his point of view.

mostlyharmless Sun 27-May-18 12:56:08

He was so patronising on Marr today. “Patience is a virtue” when Marr pressed him.
Unbearable.
Why didn’t Marr ask him about abortion after yesterday’s Irish vote?
He is strongly anti-abortion yet his company makes money from selling abortion pills. So he is a hypocrite too.

Grandad1943 Sun 27-May-18 12:39:36

Jacob Rees-Mogg gave yet another media interview today (27/05/18), this time on the Andrew Marr BBC 1 program. For those that may still have remained unconvinced that JRM is now bidding for the leadership of the Conservative party, viewing this Interview must have changed their minds

He criticised Theresa Mays whole approach to the brexit negotiations, along with the Irish border question along and the whole Customs Union problem. Asked by Andrew Marr if he would be prepared to join the Theresa May cabinet if asked, he replied that he was perfectly content to remain as a prominent backbench MP.

He looked very uncomfortable when questioned about his Somerset Investment Company having large Holdings in Russian companies. JRM insisted he had no direct investment himself in those banks and other companies, but Andrew Marr pointed out that he still made money from what his Investment Company charged to those placing investments in those Russian Holdings.

All the above begs the question that if he is only interested in remaining as a backbencher, why is Jacob Rees mogg giving so many Media interviews? JRM is now rated as five to one by the Bookies to be the next Tory leader.

So, perhaps an autumn election with Jacob Rees-Mogg running against Jeremy Corbyn for the keys to ten Downing Street.

Now there is a thought.

trisher Sat 26-May-18 13:45:43

MaizieD I first read it in the 60s,when I thought things like electricity would always be a public company providing essential services- how foolish that seems now!
Jalima1108 It's well worth a read.
Grandad1943 I think the point is that many of the more privileged encountered working men for the first time when they were servicemen and something like TRTP Brought home to them the reality of working class family life.

Jalima1108 Sat 26-May-18 13:37:57

Homes Fit for Heroes:
www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/towncountry/towns/overview/councilhousing/

The Housing Act aka The Addison Act was passed in 1919.

Nevertheless, most property was privately rented and much was substandard.
The availability of 'Council mortgages' enabled many to buy their own homes (not council property, privately built houses).

Jalima1108 Sat 26-May-18 13:28:32

trisher I haven't heard of that book, I will look it up.

Jalima1108 Sat 26-May-18 13:27:36

And, of course, the books were made even more popular by the tv series Dr Findlay's Casebook in the 1960s.

Grandad1943 Sat 26-May-18 13:02:06

MawBroom, I very much appreciate your comments on the "homes fit for Heroes" but I believe that the slogan was again used by Labour in the 1945 campaign. It was especially prevelent among the troops fighting in the Far East Burma campaign many of whom did not return home until 1946.

My wife states that her father used the phrase any number of times when in 1951 they got a brand new council house allocated to them in the Broomhill area of Bristol. He had fought in the far East Burma jungle campaign and had been through so much.

Thoroughly deserved, as it was for so many.

MawBroon Sat 26-May-18 12:56:33

The SDP was indeed founded as a Centrist Socialist party in 1981 by Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams and Bill Rodgers, nicknamed the “Gang of Four” after the Chinese political group. It survived unto 1988 when merging with the Liberal party we got the LibDems and many of us regret its demise.
The origin of the party can be traced back to the ideological divisions in the Labour Party in the 1950s (with its forerunner being the Campaign for Democratic Socialism established to support the Gaitskellites), but publicly lies in the 1979 Dimbleby Lecture given by Roy Jenkins as he neared the end of his presidency of the European Commission. Jenkins argued the necessity for a realignment in British politics, and discussed whether this could be brought about from within the existing Liberal Party, or from a new group driven by European principles of social democracy
Not a lot wrong with that IMHO.

MawBroon Sat 26-May-18 12:49:47

Oh I would not be so dismissive Grandad
The significance of a seminal work should not be underestimated. Maybe not “won” an election, but of enormous significance in political thinking at the time.
May I quote
The book provides a comprehensive picture of social, political, economic and cultural life in Britain at a time when socialism was beginning to gain ground. It was around that time that the Labour Party was founded and began to win seats in the House of Commons
The book advocates a socialist society in which work is performed to satisfy the needs of all rather than to generate profit for a few
Anyway, my original point was that “Homes for Heroes” came after WWI nearly a generation before the foundation of the NHS in 1947 and the post-war social reforms you refer to.

MaizieD Sat 26-May-18 12:25:41

When I first read it I thought some of the things in it were absolutely unthinkable in today's world.

When I first read it, trisher I thought that some things were depressingly familiar. Like the inability of his workmates to understand the need for, and the use of, a trade union. I think I was reading it at the height of the Thatcher era and the demonisation of trade unions. sad

Grandad1943 Sat 26-May-18 12:25:33

I find it difficult to believe that any book had much influence on the outcome of the 1945 general election.

Much of the British adult population had spent the 6 years of the Second World War either in the Armed Forces or requisitioned into jobs supplying those armed forces or this countries essential needs. Many had given great sacrifice and through all that had little control over where they were sent or what they had to accomplish.

Therefore, as the war drew to a close in 1945 those returning home did not wish to be greeted by the unemployment, poor housing and poor health conditions that had greeted those who survived the First World War and had returned home.

Therefore, change was looked for, and in that Labour offered greater promise than ether the Conservatives or Liberals. That generation decided that too much had been given to accept once again the pre-war status quo.

nigglynellie Sat 26-May-18 12:12:43

'How green was my Valley', another must. I read this and A.J Cronin, when I was at school and thought them fantastic! Must have another read, as it was a VERY long time ago!!!

Anniebach Sat 26-May-18 10:10:14

lemon, I checked, his books are available in paperback and kindle, I bought Hatters Castle and The Stars Look Down as well, weekend sorted ?

trisher Sat 26-May-18 09:55:10

I always understood that the book that won the 1945 election for Labour (if any did) was the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists By Robert Thressel. If you haven't read it I recommend it. When I first read it I thought some of the things in it were absolutely unthinkable in today's world. Now I'm not so sure.

lemongrove Sat 26-May-18 09:21:59

I wonder if his books are now out of print? So many sadly are Annie he was a very good author.May be possible to get on Kindle?

Anniebach Sat 26-May-18 09:11:12

Haven’t read The Citadel for years, will read it this weekend.

Cronin was a GP in South Wales, the miners had been paying their GP’s weekly for health care.

MawBroon Fri 25-May-18 23:32:17

And it would have predated the Beveridge Report by two decades and consequently the National Health Service.

Dr A. J. Cronin's controversial novel The Citadel, published in 1937, had fomented extensive debate about the severe inadequacies of healthcare. The author's innovative ideas were not only essential to the conception of the NHS, but in fact, his best-selling novels are said to have greatly contributed to the Labour Party's victory in 1945

A national health service was one of the fundamental assumptions in the Beveridge Report. The Emergency Hospital Service established in 1939 gave a taste of what a National Health Service might look like

Healthcare prior to the war had been an unsatisfactory mix of private, municipal and charity schemes. Bevan decided that the way forward was a national system rather than a system operated by local authorities. He proposed that each resident of the UK would be signed up to a specific General Practice (GP) as the point of entry into the system, building on the foundations laid in 1912 by the introduction of National Insurance and the list system for general practice. Patients would have access to all medical, dental and nursing care they needed without having to pay for it at the time