Repeal the 8th

I am delighted for the women of Ireland today as their country gives them control of their own bodies .Now the government NOT the church in Northern Ireland needs to do the same .

Oh M,M,M,

That was relating to a post not telling anyone to leave the thread

Try again

Oh annie annie annie

Anniebach Fri 25-May-18 09:54:32
Paddyann, do butt out, I will post what and when I choose

One law for one poster, and one for another?

YES

Irish Health Minister ..

“Under the Eigth Amendment, women in crisis pregnancy have been told: ‘Take the plane, take the boat: Today we tell them: Take our hand”.

#RepealedThe8th.

Well it’s over, end of . Thank you Newmom

I have no objection to anyone viewing the embryo as a living entity and being against abortion. What they believe and what they do with their body is up to them. But they have no right to force others to comply with their beliefs. Women are entitled to make their own choices and if they choose not to go through with the pregnancy they should have the same access to good medical services as theywould have for any other condition. I thought the women demonstrating dressed as women from the Handmaid's Tale illustrated exactly the way that women can be treated.
68% "Yes in the Exit Polls- Great!

newmom thanks

I think 'late abortions' is perhaps the wrong term really. As it's not to abort the pregnancy out of choice. Past 24 weeks it's a wanted baby and a heartbreaking situation for the family. In the past the mother would not have been aware that the baby would not survive and it would have led to a stillbirth or a baby dying shortly after birth. As we are now able to diagnose problems with development during pregnancy it gives the mom the option of not carrying on with the pregnancy, and time to adjust and grieve. My grandmother had a baby die shortly after birth, and she feels that it is kinder to allow women to end these pregnancies early, rather than go through what she did.

Bestwishes, abortion is only legal at a 'late' stage (past 24 weeks) in the UK for medical reasons. Of the 0.1% that occur at that point, the vast majority are not viable.

It is very rare for a viable pregnancy to be terminated past 24 weeks, because the are only allowed if the mothers life is at risk, and not many women want to terminate at that point as they have become attached to the baby. So yes, in these very very rare circumstances, the baby's heart would be stopped in vitro and they would not be born breathing.

Also, at 24 weeks onwards as it is an abortion out of necessity, it would be treated the same way as a stillbirth or miscarriage. The mother would be taken to a bereavement suite, allowed time with the baby and photos, footprints etc, and given the option of a cremation.

Hospitals have crematoriums or the mother pays to have the baby cremated ?

Why tell posters to butt out? What troubles you ?

maryeliza thankfully we are all entitled to our views and this is a very emotive and emotional subject.
I think that for once annie and I are in agreement on something.
As always the majority have had their say and the law will be passed.

When I saw on TV the young women who had flown home to vote from all over the world I knew it would go through.

I am 100% behind them and proud of them.

Did you not read that women having abortions in England had to have the ashes returned in Jiffy bags through the post ( if they wanted the ashes that is). They would not be used for medical research without permission - you’ve been reading too much No propaganda

newmom well if that’s what is happening then it’s better than I thought, so all late viable aborted babies are born dead then because of this procedure?
I’m just coming from the position of having a niece who has had 4 miscarriages, a friend whose daughters son was still born and a DD who is unable to have children.
I guess in some cases of Law we help one sector and condemn another. ( I know, I know, in Law a baby doesn’t have any protection unless it’s born breathing) anyway I’ll go and find something more cheerful to think about.

Oh butt out ab

All sorts of horrific things happened in the past - some of the babies who ended up in the ‘care’ of the nuns received no health care,were buried in unmarked graves or if they survived were sometimes sent to the colonies as in effect slave labour and suffered both physical and sexual abuse at the hands of various Catholic homes run by priests. I don’t know anyone who is comfortable about or who likes abortion but the idea of it not being available is much much more ‘uncomfortable’ and unlikeable isn’t it? Life is so often about the least worse option- and to date women in Ireland have been treated as sub-human. Now for NI.

Besstwishes, I too read the reports, they were not related to the abortion laws, easy to dismiss the question I suppose, but not for me. I wonder too if they are incinerated along with the babies aborted in early pregnancies , they little bodies have to be disposed of so I suppose it is in the incinerator , no other way. Unless they are used for medical research .

Abortions past 24 weeks are not carried out callously. They are only allowed if there is a risk to the mothers life or problems with the babies development. Given that they are out of a medical necessity, they are somewhat unrelated to the issue of legalising abortion as those are babies which are wanted, but unfortunately the pregnancy isn't viable. And of course there are still women who continue with a pregnancy knowing their own life or that is the babies is at risk.

Thanks for that clarification Newmom

Babies are born unable to breathe independently until past 24/25 weeks gestation (very rarely are babies born between 22-24 weeks who are breathing at birth). Past 24 weeks abortions will only be carried out for medical reasons such as the mothers life at risk or in cases where the baby would not live after birth or die later on in the pregnancy. These abortions are carried out if the mother chooses to have them, so that she does not have to continue with the pregnancy only to lose the child anyway. Again, the procedure would involve stopping the heart in vitro, past 22 weeks gestation there is a procedure in place to stop the heart in vitro.

Then if the babies are taken from the womb with care for their lives how do they die , once removed they become in law human beings

I only asked because I had read of some horrific practises in the past, I hope they don’t deliberately kill the baby as it’s being aborted.
I’m thankful that the majority are under 13 weeks and I’m all for the ‘morning after ‘ pill.
I have to admit though that the whole subject leaves me very uncomfortable. But that’s just me and I accept that for women in Ireland it’s a big step forward.

I wonder how true it is that a late abortion( over 24 weeks) is carried out callously?The circumstances behind a late abortion are usually very sad - do we think medical staff would be so cruel? I’m sure they do their best in a situation where there are no winners. The Irish women who have had late abortions at the Liverpool Women’s Hospital have spoken of the enormous compassionate care they have received - is it credible that they would behave as that midwife says? Many anti abortion supporters peddle stories like this to defend their indefensible position - have you seeen the placards and posters from that group who harass women going into abortion clinics? Full of lies

They used to Besstwishes, and it was this that deeply upset my nurse friend. It was way back in the mists of time, and I've no idea how it's dealt with now, but this is why I'm in favour of the three month period for a healthy foetus. Obviously the legal availability of the morning after pill is extremely important along with medical facilities easily accessed.
I'm realistically pleased with result as the alternatives are awful in every respect.