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Repeal the 8th

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maryeliza54 Thu 24-May-18 09:47:06

I so hope they do - not only for themselves but also for the women in other countries who would be heartened by this in their own struggles for change.

Anniebach Sat 26-May-18 10:05:36

The vast majority may be aborted before ten weeks, still leaves the question of the minority of babies.

Lazigirl Sat 26-May-18 10:04:26

Bessstwishes In Ireland they are voting for abortion to be carried out under 12 weeks. In UK most ie 92% abortions carried out under 13 weeks (as has been said up thread). Very, very few ie 0.1% over 24wks and this in very exceptional circumstances so unlikely those terminated are breathing independently.

Anniebach Sat 26-May-18 10:03:24

Perhaps the procedure of removing the baby from the womb kills the baby so they are all born dead , I recall some years ago a theatre sister reporting that removing the baby wasn’t carried out with care for the baby because a baby born alive would cause problems for the hospital, this must be so in some abortions

maryeliza54 Sat 26-May-18 09:57:48

The vast majority of abortions (over 90%) are carried out before 10 weeks when it is completely impossible for the foetus to breathe independently. I’ve no idea how many foetuses are born breathing and capable of living - does anyone know of any evidence?

Besstwishes Sat 26-May-18 09:22:44

What happens if the aborted child is breathing ? Do they cover it with a blanket until it dies?
Medicine has come such a long way since abortions became legal and so much is being done for premature babies who are born with parents who want them.
Whilst no woman should be made to carry a child for 9 months that she doesn’t want, It is wrong to care about the viable babies?

SueDonim Sat 26-May-18 09:05:06

If the polls are correct, that's a good majority, making it unlikely there will be any future controversy on the subject.

maryeliza54 Sat 26-May-18 08:45:21

Yes poor NI - no same sex marriage, no abortion. Women there only recently were given the right to a NHS funded abortion in E and W and still have all the travel costs to pay I think.

maryeliza54 Sat 26-May-18 08:41:57

We’ll have to see how tge legislation is written. In E and W the vast majority of abortions are provided in clinics run by charities etc who receive state funding so that model will pose no problems. Asfor hospitals and doctors, once the threat of prosecution is removed, that should change their attitudes. There will be I’m sure a conscience clause as there is here. Given the apparent landslide and the number of medical staff who spoke up for Yes it seems unlikely that having staff will not be a problem. Once the abortion pill is legally available that will also help deal with demand

sodapop Sat 26-May-18 08:23:31

Does that mean hospitals and medical staff will cooperate though .?

Gerispringer Sat 26-May-18 08:18:14

It’s looking good. Let’s hope the women in Northern Ireland are now given the same rights as the rest of the U.K.

Grandma70s Sat 26-May-18 08:10:20

It’s certainly looking hopeful, but I daren’t quite start rejoicing until the final result comes through. Holding my breath.

OldMeg Sat 26-May-18 06:42:42

I think it’s a done deed. So many young people turning out to vote.

maryeliza54 Fri 25-May-18 22:34:54

I hardly dare believe the exit poll - if it’s true then actually getting the legislation through should be much easier with such a margin.Also it should cheer our N. Irish sisters - and all our sisters in countries where they are still fighting for this right. I was watching the scenes at Dublin airport - all those wonderful ( mostly young and female) coming home to vote and in many cases being met and hugged by fathers and mothers. There was even earlier today a group of older men holding a banner saying ‘Grandfathers vote yes’. Some of the young women at the airport were saying I’ve come home to vote so others won’t have to leave home to get an abortion. But I’m still waiting to be sure

OldMeg Fri 25-May-18 22:26:48

Good

Anniebach Fri 25-May-18 22:21:57

Exit poll gives a clear yes.

Anniebach Fri 25-May-18 22:18:28

My error minesaprosecco, no idea why I typed 1974, mind on other things , thank you.

maryeliza54 Fri 25-May-18 22:17:48

I think ab is posting about the situation in Ireland ( she got the contraception date wrong I think)

maryeliza54 Fri 25-May-18 22:16:49

I agree about better support services for anyone of any age having an abortion but like the rest of the NHS there just aren’t the resources. Neither is there the infrastructure or support services if you decide to keep the baby and of course it might be the third child which might mean in some situations you wouldn’t get any extra benefits. That’s an interesting one isn’t it - anti abortionists caring about the child before it’s born but not afterwards?

minesaprosecco Fri 25-May-18 22:12:40

Don't think you've got your dates right ab! Abortion was legalised in 1967.

Newmom101 Fri 25-May-18 21:08:26

I think by on a 'whim' posters are referring to it seeming as if some women go 'oops, I got pregnant, oh well I'll just have an abortion'. Unfortunately, I have known a few people do this is late teens/early 20s. However, they seem to struggle with the decision afterwards and in the case of all 3, were pregnant with a baby they kept in the next few months. I think in some cases of accidental pregnancy, better counselling and advice is needed for younger women to understand how hard having an abortion can be.

maryeliza54 Fri 25-May-18 20:50:06

How occasionally? How do you know? And anyway so what? Their bodies their choice. I wonder what having an abortion in a whim actually means - it’s Tuesday so I’ll have an abortion? I’ll toss a coin, heads it’s an abortion for me? The father has red hair do I’ll abort the baby?

maryeliza54 Fri 25-May-18 20:45:24

Doctors and nurses in GB can still opt out of being directly involved in an abortion being carried out

Jalima1108 Fri 25-May-18 20:45:19

or being on a whim ( a whim? Bloody hell. WTF)
Yes
Unfortunately, tragic though it may seem, it is occasionally treated casually.

Anniebach Fri 25-May-18 20:16:46

Contraception was made legal in 1974. 2013 abortion was made legal if the mothers life was in danger.

When abortion was made legal in this country there were doctors who refused to undertake the surgery.

I supported the legalisation of abortion but really believed the provisions set out would be adhered to, they were not.

I think the vote will go ‘yes’ but there will be more problems ahead

maryeliza54 Fri 25-May-18 19:24:40

eazy what you say is simply not true overall - abortion rates have fallen overall, with the only increases being in the over 30 age group