Inquiry Demanded into Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party.

Hear hear Allygran no we don’t.

Good evening Grandad1943, apologies for my tardiness in replying to your post but I still work full time and so don't have any time during the today to donate to GNetters demanding my attention until late evening. I see that you've singled me out 're my request for information relating to "gangs of white men grooming young Asian girls"; when in fact, after making my initial request at 10.26 on 2nd June; I referred to it only once, at 16.52 on 3rd June. I'm therefore perplexed at your post of 16.49 today where you state: "Chewbacca, you several times in this thread have stated that I had not replied to your inquiries regarding gang grooming in Britain."

However, moving on..... I've read the link that you kindly provided on 2nd June and I've read it thoroughly. I agree that it goes a long way in its efforts to dispel the broad strokes of stigmatising all Asian men as being sexually predatory and, in that regard, it is a fair and reasonable article. In addition, it draws the readers attention to court cases where white men have been brought to court to answer for their paedophilic crimes against children.
What it does not address is any reference to "gangs of white men grooming Asian girls", which was the premise of your assertion at 17.24, on 31st May: Joelsman yes a percentage of white male gangs will groom and abuse Asian derived young girls., which is what I, and other posters have asked you to qualify.
There has not been one dissenting poster on this thread, (or any of the multitude of others threads on this same subject that have occurred in recent years) that has not shared their abhorrence of all sexual predators of children and young people; irrespective of their creed, colour, nationality or religion. They are all vile. But you cannot shore up your arguments, on any subject, here or anywhere else, by flinging in statements that cannot be substantiated and do not bear close scrutiny. It does neither you, nor your argument, any favours at all.

Now.... If you do have any information that supports your claim that "*^a percentage of white male gangs will groom and abuse Asian derived young girls^*" I would like to see it please.

I have looked through the thread, Grandad, to find the link which you have assured us is on this thread, and cannot find it. I did read the link to which Chewbacca refers and likewise can find no reference to white gangs 'grooming' young Asian girls in that particular link.
What I did find was your advice to another poster that, if she wished to read about it, she should try a Google search Allygran1 I am sure I have seen such a case as the above not long ago.

I am assuming that Allygran1 is a woman, but, of course he/she could be male.

Just picked up on the thread about people 'declaring' their disabilities, in this case and it seems at other times people have 'declared' dyslexia.

What is wrong here, in my view, is that anyone who is willing to share their views, debate and yes, even argue using the written word, should have to even think about their dyslexia. To point out grammatical, spelling or punctuation errors is just un kind, and to use those things to undermine confidence in the argument being made or the veracity of the knowledge says more about the "marker" than the producer of the work.

No one should feel that they have to 'declare' their 'disability'. Their ability is in what they think, and their willingness to stand up for what they believe in, on line and in writing, how brave is that.

Jalimall108, you are quite correct of course. I just googled the topic.

One of the issues on this sort of forum is that we know so little about each other really. What we do gleen is attitudes, political stance, something about types of work, age, gender, if someone has a short fuse or is patient, has a gang mentality, or is stubborn, probably we pick up a bit about strength of character, and I have found kindness, common sense and intelligence in abundance.

What we don't know is religious background or cultural influences that are brought into play and manifest themselves in attitudes. So what is appalling to us, with the stereotyping of women or blatant machismo might be born of religious belief or cultural environment. So it's not easy to distinguish between male chauvinism, machismo or something else.

Would we view female stereotyping and machismo differently if it was cultural or religious or both, rather than straight forward male chauvinism- not sure. I like to think I would still find it unacceptable, though slightly more understandable.

I failed to find it Chewbacca

Annie, that's because it doesn't exist.

Thank you Iam, I thought it didn’t happen but gave the poster the benefit of the doubt and hadn’t read the post so thought I should check.

The issue of CSE and child sexual abuse is so complex, we don't need false statements being made in an attempt to suggest the type of abuse perpetrated by gangs in Rotherham, Oxford, Rochdale etc etc is taking place by organised groups of white men targeting Asian girls. Nonsense. Groups of like minded men will find "easier" prey boys and girls.

I don’t want to continue on this thread, using child abuse as political point scoring has distressed me. I still remember the North Wales abuse cases , horrific .

I wonder why when anyone highlights prejudice directed against the majority population by any minority group this is immediately jumped on as right wing racism (or whatever it's called). Whilst equality of recognition and treatment should be the norm, are the concerns of those who have resided within this country longest not being heard and addressed and should there be a political inquiry into this?
Should the cry of Kefiraphobia be raised?

Suppose I am being stupid but Islam is not a race, why is criticism of Islam racist but criticism of Christianity not ?

As a white British woman living in an ethnically mixed area, I have never experienced racism. I have observed racism from members of the white British community towards black and ethnic minority people. The police Facebook post about a hate crime that left a black African woman in icu was inundated with racist comments after two white people were arrested. The gist of the comments was that arrests wouldn’t have been so quick if the victim had been white and the assailants black

I can understand racism Iam, been a victim of it, but I question is criticism of a faith racist

I think Anniebach it is because it is not limited to criticism of a faith, but becomes prejudice or hatred of all Muslims which is what makes it racist. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the word means "Intense dislike or fear of Islam, esp. as a political force; hostility or prejudice towards Muslims"

I know people want to move on from discussion of child sexual abuse, but I just thought this information may be useful.
A report by Quilliam, called ‘Group Based Child Sexual Exploitation: Dissecting Grooming Gangs’, notes how many of the gangs had operated in North of England towns and cities.
The report says CEOP, an official government body, identifies two types of group-based child sexual exploitation offenders.

Type 1 offenders were those that targeted their victims based on their vulnerability (roughly equivalent of grooming gangs), whereas Type 2 offenders target children as a result of a specific sexual interest in children (roughly equivalent of paedophile rings).

CEOP found that 75% of Type 1 offenders were of Asian ethnicity, whereas 100% of Type 2 offenders were white.

Since 2011, groups of men have been prosecuted for organised sexgrooming crimes against hundreds of girls in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham, Norwich, Burnley, High Wycombe, Leicester, Dewsbury, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Bristol, Halifax and Newcastle.

In only two of those cases were the men not of South Asian heritage. Of all the victims, only three were not white teenage girls.

Interesting bmacca and much as everyone thought on here.

Iam64 I am also a white British woman who lived in an ethnically mixed area - as I have mentioned before I was married to an immigrant. Unlike you I have experienced racism from both white and black communities - you would be amazed at some of the things which have been said to me.

I hope no longer Oldwoman, people can be cruel , some from stupidity, some from choice , some from fear, and some who get a kick out of being cruel.

Old woman, I seem to be specialising in not being clear. My post about not having been the subject of racism should have made clear that I believe I’ve been protected by the fact I’m not poor and I’m white.
I saw racism first hand for the first time about forty years ago. I was in a posh restaurant where the evening meal as an excellent xcellent buffet. I was with a work colleague and close friend. She made a friendly comment to a group of other guests. They cut her dead, looked down their noses and turned away. She told me it happened frequently in upmarket, wealthy countryside areas. She was of Goan Indian origin , a Catholic whose family were thrown out of Uganda but Idi Armin. I’ve subsequently been present with a number of friends who aren’t white, and seen first hand the abuse they’ve been subjected to.

Apologies if my comment about being white and not poor is offensive. My experience of racism has been when I've been when non white friends, or observed directed at neighbours. I feel sure that my next door neighbour would have been racist and/or refused to speak to me if I, or any of my family, hadn't been white.

Iam64 The attitude of those diners at the 'posh' restaurant may not have been attributable to race prejudice. Northern folk are very used to chatting with strangers and 'up north' the folk tend to reciprocate. Try this 'darn sarth' are you frequently get the 'why are you speaking to me' look and the turn away. Or were they English speakers? They may have been rich foreign tourists. Are some too quick to attribute bad manners to prejudices.

Iam64 My point was that racism is not confined to the white population. My DH and I experienced racism and prejudice from both communities.

I agree Oldwoman

Joelsnan - my Indian friend was from Leicester. I don't think that counts as the North, or does it. She was a professional, as were her parents and siblings. It wasn't southern reserve-v- northern lack of polite boundaries. It was racism, horrible, disgusting racism. I was there and it was clear.

Joelsnan Kaffaarphobia yes it should be raised as a real issue. It is exactly the same as Islamaphobia and should be recognised. The fact that we have not had a word to use (until now) does not mean the prejudice against non Muslims does not exist in Islam. Nor does this prejudice always take the form of extreme radicalisation activity either. It is very much a two way street sadly.